Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by MilesSmiles, Jul 20, 2013.
That said, Another Self Portrait is a respectably audacious title.
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Here's my first draft listing of the known studio material that seems to be omitted from this set (the Self Portrait versions of "Went To See A Gypsy" and "Time Passes Slowly" might actually be included). For the sake of readability, I've left out the Johnny Cash and George Harrison sessions, and most of the alternate takes of album tracks. Also note that many of the songs here might be fragmentary or just plain awful, so I'm not suggesting their absence necessarily reflects badly against the official product. Unlike most periods of Dylan's history, this material is mostly uncirculated so it makes it very difficult to judge the wisdom of the official release. I also included all the Self Portrait studio tracks that weren't represented with alternate versions on BS10 (without crossreferencing if they had been subjected to overdubs), as the studio sheets of the overdub sessions seem incomplete. Any corrections or additions would be appreciated.
Nashville Skyline outtakes
Goin' To Chicago
Self Portrait outtakes:
Ring of Fire
Folsom Prison Blues
Sitting on the Dock of the Bay
When a Fellow’s Out of a Job
Come a Little Bit Closer
Come All You Fair and Tender Ladies
My Previous Life
Went To See The Gypsy
Time Passes Slowly
Self Portrait undubbed versions
Living The Blues
Take Me As I Am
I Forgot More Than You’ll Ever Know
Early Morning Rain
Gotta Travel On
It Hurts Me Too
Alberta (Another Self Portrait seems to include an alternate take of this song)
New Morning/ Dylan outtakes
Oh Lonesome Me
Spanish Is The Loving Tongue
Long Black Veil
I Forgot To Remember To Forget
Tomorrow Is A Long Time
Blowin’ in The Wind
’71 single session:
These outtakes are uncirculated so it's hard to say anything about them. The tiny amount (excepting the Johnny Cash session) of circulating unreleased NS material suggests its all in his "country crooner" voice.
I may be wrong, but it's always been my understanding that the 1969 Nashville sessions for 'Self Portrait' were recorded with the whole of the Nashville crew there on the sessions, playing live with Dylan. Maybe a few overdubs to fix and sweeten (like those for NS), but pretty much recorded all together. So I'm not sure if there would actually be any revelatory 'undubbed' versions, maybe only alternate versions.
Unlike the 1970 New York sessions, that were recorded more sparsely, then overdubbed in Nashville, IIRC.
I think you're largely right. Though all four of those songs did seem to get some light overdubs (the backing vocals seem to be a give-away), the fuller nature of the recording ensemble seem to make potential "pre-overdub" recordings far less intriguing for this earliest set of recordings (slightly alternate versions of these early SP songs circulate, but they're not radically different). It seems clear that it's the Dylan/Bromberg/Cooper recordings from 1970 that are the heart of this set.
I overlooked a session that I've long been very curious about. The Mar 16-18, 1971 Blue Rock Studios sessions that produced "Watching The River Flow" and "When I Paint My Masterpiece" also reportedly resulted in some terrific covers, including a version of "That Lucky Ol' Sun" that is supposedly sublime.
'71 "Watching The River Flow" session:
That Lucky Ol' Sun
Blood Red River
Rock of Ages
Preordered the vinyl from Amazon. Disappointed there was no option for the IOW with this package. Just another way of trying to get folks to buy multiple formats.
Assuming it is as described, "That Lucky Old Sun" would be wonderful to hear. I think Dylan's '85/'86 performances of it were excellent.
"Assuming it is as described" is the big question. The covers aren't even on the studio sheets (which is why I assume Krogsgaard skipped them altogether, but he includes the note: Listing is incomplete as only reel 2 of at least three reels has been listened through.) and I think the only direct reporting on them came from Spitz's biography (which I haven't read, only seen second hand reports on). Heylin seems confident they exist, though.
Wouldn't trust the Spitz book as far as I could throw it. In fact I DID throw it, which is why I don't have it around to look at anymore.
I also missed the incomplete "Little Moses" among the Self Portrait outtakes. I think I'll add information on incomplete takes on my second draft.
It's exactly that reputation that's kept me from ever bothering to purchase a copy, let alone read it. But now I really wish I had a copy to evaluate what he wrote on this session.
Spitz did a Beatles book loaded with errors and his Dylan book was in the same vane. I don't believe that he did ANY primary research in terms of access to studio tapes or session logs. I believe everything in his book in that regard was derived from other sources (or compiled on his behalf by someone who knew a heck of a lot more than he did).
Apparently Spitz did not actually attend the two 1987 concerts he wrote about to open and close the book. So apparently historical fiction is his chosen genre.
More on Self Portrait.
So in 3 days in May of 1970 he records 37 tracks. Cutting out a few for duplication (3 "Alberta"s and 2 "Time Passes Slowly"s) and a few for likely being fragments or breakdowns that were not revisited, we basically have Bob doing what The Beatles did with the "Please Please Me" album (10 fresh cuts in one session) except for 3 days in a row. No wonder some of the performances sound a bit rushed, and the band behind him sounds like they are "jaywalking" (which I believe was how Paul Cable put it) some of the time.
Spot on. Still seems with the 35 tracks we're getting that they're leaving some of the good stuff off. Maybe there will be another career spanning set like the first set. This time it can be six discs.
I'm lukewarm on Self-Portrait, but this may be interesting to hear. I'm glad they've included the version of "Sign on the Window" with strings, because I think it sounds better than the album version.
I love this qoute :
" I mean, if you're gonna put a lot of crap on it, you might as well load it up!"
Has it been established if there are any outtakes from the April/May '69 sessions? It doesn't look like it, which would be a shame if we're getting outtakes from the two lots of sessions either side (February '69 and March '70).
The definitive version of "That Lucky Old Sun" has to be from the late Columbia period of Sinatra. Truly heartbreaking.... Would love to hear the rumored Dylan version.
Wow, glad I pre-ordered when I did. Up $30 at amazon.ca from a few days ago.
Haven't heard that one, but the one Ray Charles did ain't too bad either...
I'm pretty sure the cover illustration is based in part on a photograph of an old-time folk musician, but I haven't been able to figure out which one yet. Like 1920s or 30s. I'm quite sure I've seen it in my studies - the face is very familiar - but I can't place it. Yet.
On the new BS, 'Spanish Is The Loving Tongue' is from those sessions. It's an alternate take of the track that was first issued on the 'Dylan' LP.
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