No Time to Die (2021 James Bond film). May include spoilers!*

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by shokhead, Nov 27, 2017.

  1. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    No, keep M and Q in their traditional roles. Back to being day players. Let
    them stay in the office. When Bond goes out in the field he's alone, left to
    his own devices, at risk on HIS adventure. He doesn't bring the office with
    him like a child needing a hall monitor.

    That's what I'm afraid of.

    On the other hand, Dalton and Brosnan surprised me. I underestimated them
    both. They both took good care of the character, got into the role and carried
    the problematic films on their backs.
     
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  2. AirJordanFan93

    AirJordanFan93 Forum Resident

    Good luck with getting that.
    Again good luck with that. The days of Bond being an every other year thing are gone and we are in a 3-4 year cycle for these films. This could change if EON ever sold up and Barbara wasn't running things but as long as she is I think the 3-4 year gap between films is here to stay.
     
  3. AirJordanFan93

    AirJordanFan93 Forum Resident

    Not really, Barring Connery and Lazenby who were both 30 when cast all the Bond actors have been north of 30 when cast.

    Moore - 45
    Dalton - 41
    Brosnan - 41
    Craig - 38

    Maybe now with how large the gaps are between films that going for someone 35-40 is a bit daft because you'll be lucky to get 3-4 films out of them. This is why I find the Idris Elba thing baffling. He is already 47 so only a few years younger than Craig and given how large the gaps between films is they would be lucky to even get 2 films out of him before they would likely have to recast.
     
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  4. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    James Bond is a white Anglo-Saxon male of the upper class.
    That's the character. If they change that I stop giving the new
    films a look-see. EON lost my respect with Casino Royale and
    the last few films burned me out on the franchise. I'm open to
    a new reboot providing that it plays the playbook.

    I think you've got the measure of the situation. Barbara Broccoli
    and her half-witted stepbrother can't get out of their own way.
     
  5. The Hermit

    The Hermit Wavin' that magick glowstick since 1976

    Yet you still didn't 'Like' my post... c'mon dude, just one click of a button, do it for me ;)... you know you want to!!!

    No-one... close it down after The Craig takes his final bow. Unless they do something really radical and interesting - maybe a 1950's period setting? - I really have no further interest in any more... it's been a great ride, but it's starting to bore me now... the Broccoli's have done an arguably admirable job over six decades in keeping the quality up (despite a few missteps here and there), and it's not for nothing that the franchise is probably more successful than it's ever been... but enough of the same old tropes, iconography, and plots.

    If Craig's Bond dies at the end of this one - as rumoured - that would be a perfect ending for the franchise...
     
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  6. Richard--W

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    The Broccoli's have done a lousy job. They sit back and make bad decisions on
    how to control the creative filmmakers who do the work. The credit for any
    quality or virtues the films have belongs to the hired help. But I agree the
    Craig films tread heavily and stomp out a lot of enthusiasm many of us have
    for the franchise. Perhaps when he's gone they'll find the right groove again
    and the Bond films will be fun and dramatically engaging once more.

    Adapting the cover novels such as Solo, Forever and a Day, Devil May Care
    and the classic Colonel Sun would be a step in the right direction. The cover
    novels are more intelligent than any of the recent films and terrific spy
    stories that are, oddly, faithful to both the early films and Fleming.

    I'm open to a period piece, although I wouldn't have been a few years ago.

    The Broccoli's aren't going to terminate a franchise that rakes in millions of
    dollars every year; billions, even. Nobody "just says no" to that kind of money.
    Their grandkids are writing scripts for 007 playstation video games and will
    no doubt inherit the Bond property along with the army of lawyers employed
    to keep it within the family. Poor James Bond. His fate is sealed.
     
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  7. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Time for a tea break.

    Bond ?

    Brooke Bond. :D
     
  8. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Drunk“

    Okay acknowledged. :D
     
  9. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Metoo feminists whats it’s are killing the macho suave James Bond character. Thankfully I’ve lived through the best Bond era‘s.
     
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  10. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    Shhhh. Not so loud. You can get into trouble for admitting that feminist
    extremism is spoiling the James Bond movies. Believe me, I know.
     
  11. AirJordanFan93

    AirJordanFan93 Forum Resident

    Well, Once Michael is out the picture then you will likely have to deal with his son who will likely take his place.
     
  12. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    I see some of the YouTube Bond 25 Trailer comments are saying what’s Freddie doing it referring to Queen biopic singer played by Rami Malek. :) Other references to Malek being Dr. No.

    Did Sean Connery ever comment on DC JB films ?
     
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  13. The Hermit

    The Hermit Wavin' that magick glowstick since 1976

    Well I'm done with Bond after this, so I couldn't care less where they take it hereafter... not for ideological reasons I'm jumping ship, it's just that I'm growing bored of the franchise and increasingly of the belief there really isn't anything more to do with that character and the world he inhabits, except moving it in a direction that either becomes ridiculous or not at all what made the series so successful for decades... and add to that, the current socio-political climate, and you have a tricky situation in keeping the Bond series interesting... even Ian Fleming grew tired of writing it and toyed with killing the character more than once... had he lived, I've no doubt he would have at some point.

    There's quite a few tired old tropes in that new trailer, which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence about the franchise's future... one would think after a (nearly) five-year gap between films, they'd come out swinging with something interesting and new... it remains to be seen whether they have or not, but like I said, I'll give it a shot, I'll just be going in with greatly-tempered expectations...
     
  14. alexpop

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    Danny Boyle tried his best but was in loggerheads with Craig, regarding casting.
     
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  15. muzzer

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    It’s an impossible task combining everyone’s idea of what the character and the films have and should be into a film that will compete alongside something with no hinterland or expectation. I think DC has been badly served by the gaps between Quantum and Skyfall, and then Spectre and this one. I think Mendes was a really bad choice but obviously the producers have overall responsibility for the mish mash of those films. I thought CR was great, a really good reboot and in the spirit of the books. DC I think has been great overall, balancing all sorts of tensions in the character and its history. He deserves this to be a proper send off.
     
  16. shokhead

    shokhead Head shok and you still don't what it is. HA! Thread Starter

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    If I remember right only 7x has bond movie come out every other year.
     
  17. NickCarraway

    NickCarraway Forum Resident

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    Well, I think it's obvious after DC's cameo as a stormtrooper that the new Bond will be Daisy Ridley.
     
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  18. Chazro

    Chazro Forum Resident

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    Bond the super agent used to be a unique concept. Nowadays, with Bourne, Wick, and the slew of others spit out on an annual basis, much of the lustre has been taken from the franchise. All these movies feature exotic locales, women, and of course, the action. This is why I really don't understand the calls to 'retire' James Bond/the franchise. Why? While I'd love to see a less formulaic Bond (Casino Royale was definitely a step in the right direction, but....), the product being put out is at least as good as all it's competition. Tellyawhat, Craig's on his way out but Bond ain't goin' nowhere!;)
     
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  19. ssmith3046

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    I liked the Daniel Craig Bond movies for the most part. I read the books many years ago and might have to go back and revisit a few of them. No female Bond for me.
     
  20. alexpop

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    Regarding Bond trailers.

    Thunderball has the wow factor.

    The Spy Who Loved Me ...Ski scene Union Jack.....some pizazz.
     
  21. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    Have you read the Bond cover novels?

    Colonel Sun (1968) by Kingsly Amis
    Devil May Care (2008) by Sebastian Faulks
    Solo (2013) by William Boyd
    Trigger Mortis (2016) by Anthony Horowitz
    Forever and a Day (2018) by Anthony Horowitz

    Seriously good espionage literature by important novelists that transcend the Broccoli
    films on every level. The Broccoli films are fence posts compared to these stories. One
    of these is the prequel to Fleming's Casino Royale, another picks up where Goldfinger
    left off, and still another takes place in 1966. Not quite the theme park ride which is
    so trendy now but with plenty of suspense and enough action to satisfy. I think highly
    of these books. They're good enough to have make the usual cliches and stereotypes
    irrelevant. I did not think as highly of John Gardner or Raymond Benson's cover
    novels. Bond literature has been improving and the above would make first-rate films.
     
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  22. bostonscoots

    bostonscoots Forum Resident

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    This simply isn't the case. The Broccoli family does not simply "sit back" - from location scouting to story development to hiring talent they've been intimately involved in the creation and execution of every EON-produced James Bond movie since Dr. No. Harry and Cubby always brought ideas to the table - just as Barbara and Michael do today - that often inspired the creative team of writers, composers, and production designers into doing their best work. Control? At their core the Bond movies are a family business and a key reason for their longevity and success is their willingness to exercise control. It's somewhat crass to say the Broccolis are "still using the same time-honored family recipe of quality ingredients, friendly service, and reliable value that's made them the world's choice for entertainment for over 50 years" but it's the straight truth.

    Honestly, I wish Lucasfilm were as protective of Star Wars as EON is about James Bond.
     
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  23. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    I know the history, bostonscoots, and I stand by what I said.
    Barbara's and Michael's ideas stink and they make a lot of bad decisions.
    The series deteriorated rapidly and drastically when Michael started "writing."
    The less they have to do with filmmaking the better the films would be.
     
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  24. bostonscoots

    bostonscoots Forum Resident

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    Boston, MA
    One aspect I loved about these books is they worked so well as period pieces. The Benson and Gardner novels struggled with finding the right tone for a contemporary James Bond and to me, they often deferred to the cinematic James Bond over the literary.
     
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  25. Bluesman Mark

    Bluesman Mark I'm supposed to put something witty here....

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    I've read all of those, as well as the originals & the Gardner & Benson novels. Setting the Gardner/Benson books aside, of the five you covered the Amis & Horowitz books are the best of a somewhat average selection. Solo felt like a socially retroactive version of Bond set in the late 60s & Devil May Care, though written well enough simply didn't capture the feel of the character or the "typical" Fleming style for me. I do hope that Horowitz continues with the franchise. Otherwise if no new 007 books come out, I won't be upset. With all of those, (save Colonel Sun, which was of course contemporary), I do like the idea of going back to the earlier eras myself.
     

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