Bond 25, 2019

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by shokhead, Nov 27, 2017.

  1. Bill007

    Bill007 Forum Resident

    Boynton Beach, Fla
    I hope given the current state of the “Me Too” movement that they don’t emasculate Bond. Also sorry that this is DC’s last Bond movie. Next to Sean Connery I think he’s been the best Bond.
  2. Bluesman Mark

    Bluesman Mark But I'm innocent! Swan stole my music & framed me!

    I actually prefer Craig to Connery or any of the rest. I 1st got into 007 when Live & Let Die was released as a film. By the time The Man With The Golden Gun came out, I'd caught most of the rest of the films on ABC & read several of the books as well. I felt Connery was the best, but I also felt that even he didn't capture the character as written by Fleming.

    The movie that best captured the feel of the books was OHMSS, with George Lazenby, but he wasn't right for the role at the time. He was adequate & may have grown into it had he done, but there's no way to know of course. Moore was good, but not great, though when our family tree on my dad's side was traced, & I discovered we were distantly related, (we share the same surname), I got to admit I was pretty proud! He did get better as the series went along, with The Spy Who Loved Me & For Your Eyes Only being his best.

    All the same, I wanted a 007 more like Fleming wrote him. I didn't expect the film series to ever take a hard left turn into the sort of period films others think would work, (simply because even then at only 20 something years, such an approach wouldn't have worked), but I wanted the character himself to have more of the literary 007's hardness & cruelty when required. Enter Timothy Dalton; he came the closest to the literary 007 at the time, but was hampered by faulty scripts & the legal issues that plagued Eon at the time, as well as being a touch too dour.

    I didn't like & never bought Pierce Brosnan as 007. To me he was even flimsier than Roger Moore was, & the only 007 film of his I felt was worthy of the series was Tomorrow Never Dies. The rest were average to terrible, (Die Another Day).

    Casino Royale with Craig finally captured the aspects of the character best, (for me), with the right balance of steely hardness & a touch of humor. I liked the story arc idea that carried through to Quantum, but felt the film itself was a letdown. Skyfall redeemed the arc & series, but Spectre was a missed opportunity.

    One thing I do look at with these films is this; they each have to live in the world in which we exist at the time they're made. Therefore, Bond in 2020 is not going to be the same as he was in 1995, or 1977, or 1964. Not only have social mores changed, but the actions of organizations like MI6 & the CIA have as well. Ignoring that to give us a total throwback 007 wouldn't work in the context of current times, & I'm not sure a period piece would be accepted by the viewing public at large by this time.

    I've accepted that the cinema 007 & the literary one are not going to be the same, but they should always share certain attributes.
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2019
  3. Time Is On My Side

    Time Is On My Side Forum Resident

    Your mom's house
    I'm surprised that like HBO or Netflix hasn't purchased the rights and done a streaming series following the novels' plots. I think there could be some serious money in that.

    But yeah I'm not real optimistic if they decide to go the whole "Remy Malek's character is Dr No" type of story. I would rather have seen kind of a remake of OHMSS and YOLT as they are in the novels and ended it at that.
  4. bostonscoots

    bostonscoots Forum Resident

    Boston, MA
    They're simply not available. EON holds the film rights to Bond nearly as tight as Toho does with Godzilla. Although I wonder if the success Marvel and DC had with their various prequels and spinoffs (Gotham, Daredevil, Agents of SHIELD, etc) tempted EON enough to explore working with separate creative teams in different mediums.

    I wouldn't hold my breath, though.
  5. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Guess the new Bond actor will be mentioned later in 2020.
  6. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    No, Babs & Michael will need two or three years to recover from
    the last one before starting the next. They always need a few years
    between films. It's all about them, you know.
  7. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Maybe we can persuade them? :)
  8. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    If they won't let directors, line producers, writers, and actors
    tell them what to do, what chance have you got?

    Their collective mind can only absorb so much information at
    a time. It takes them years to sort out what everybody else does
    in a few minutes.

    Babs majored in feminism at Loyola Marymount University in
    Marina del Rey, California. She took one course in Film Media
    Studies. Therefor she is an expert.
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  9. alexpop

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    Henry Cavill is still keen,
  10. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    He'd be the wrong actor. I wouldn't be surprised if they
    hired him.
  11. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    There’s the Outlander actor, though I’m not sure James Bond should be a ginger.
  12. NickCarraway

    NickCarraway Forum Resident

    Gastonia, NC
    She majored in motion picture and television communications.
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  13. muzzer

    muzzer Forum Resident

    Why the hate? They own the rights, they can do what they like. And the films have never been true to the books. They’ve evolved their own universe.
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  14. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    No hate.

    Nobody disputes that they own the rights and can do what they like.
    That's the problem: they own the rights and can do what they like.

    Their movies aren't very bright. They operate on the lowest common
    denominator. Simplistic. The older Bond films were more intelligent,
    more sophisticated. Not in an intellectual way, just not dumbed down.
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  15. daca

    daca Forum Resident

    Pittsburgh, PA
    Just caught the trailer of No Time To Die. Remi Malek is listed as top billing under the great Daniel Craig???!!!


    I hope Christoph Waltz can somehow save this film. Craig is an absolutely great Bond. But Malek as the top billed villain? Talk about striking while the iron is hot.

    To quote everyone in Star Wars, “I have a very bad feeling about this.”

    I hope I am wrong.
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  16. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    He will, he will . .. rOcK you. :D
  17. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Will the PlayStation 5 play media DVDs / blu rays ..oh oh yes?
  18. acetboy

    acetboy Forum Resident

    Bloomington, IL
    The holiday season is my time for watching James Bond.
    So over the course of a couple of weeks I watched all of them in order.

    I love doing that!!

    I love all the films and pretty much all of the Actors playing Bond.

    You only Live Twice was the first one I got to see in a theater.
    Guess I was about 13, so it had a big impact!

    So to me DC is the best Bond ever.
    Casino Royale and Skyfall probably the 2 best.
    And I don’t get the dislike for Spectre???
    Great film, just watched last night.
  19. Bluesman Mark

    Bluesman Mark But I'm innocent! Swan stole my music & framed me!

    Spectre was a letdown after Skyfall, much like Quantum was a letdown after Casino.

    Since Eon Productions had finally gotten back the rights to Spectre, Blofeld & the entire concept, the end result was far less than the sum of it's parts, with an illogical, (in the 007 canon), & overly convoluted plot that wasted Christoph Waltz.

    I see it more as a disappointment & a missed opportunity. It's not bad, but nowhere near as good as it could, (& should), have been.
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  20. Bill007

    Bill007 Forum Resident

    Boynton Beach, Fla
    Have you seen the Roger Moore films? “The older Bond films were more intelligent, more sophisticated”. He was a clownish Bond —silly and certainly not an “intelligent and sophisticated “ hero.
  21. Not Insane

    Not Insane You talkin' to me?!

    Everything you need to know, and it's hilarious to boot.

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  22. twicks

    twicks Forum Resident

    I think this works out quite well -- it actually builds anticipation between movies, like the Star Wars series used to.
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2020
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  23. bostonscoots

    bostonscoots Forum Resident

    Boston, MA
    EON's honed the down time usually eaten up by writing and pre-production into an art. The necessary pause in between films becomes a feast of free media and valuable PR as everyone speculates over either the next movie or the next James Bond. While it was then characterized as Daniel Craig shooting his mouth off, him saying "he'd rather slit his wrists than be James Bond again" while doing press for SPECTRE was a huge gift to the franchise - because the natural discussion about "Who next?" turned into a larger cultural conversation when Idris Elba's name fell into the mix. You can't buy PR like that...
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  24. NickCarraway

    NickCarraway Forum Resident

    Gastonia, NC
    Here's the actual quote:

    Can you imagine doing another Bond movie?
    ‘Now? I’d rather break this glass and slash my wrists. No, not at the moment. Not at all. That’s fine. I’m over it at the moment. We’re done. All I want to do is move on.’

    You want to move on from Bond for good?
    ‘I haven’t given it any thought. For at least a year or two, I just don’t want to think about it.

    The media took a short phrase out of context and turned it into "he's done".
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  25. AirJordanFan93

    AirJordanFan93 Forum Resident

    At the time he said I remember just thinking the media took that whole "Slash my wrists" thing way out of context.

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