Bruce Springsteen - Next Deluxe Box Set Speculation Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Bink, May 5, 2018.

  1. graveyardboots

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    Here's one of the previously unreleased tunes. It's certainly not bad. In fact, I quite like this tune. But, personally, I'd much prefer to have a song like this released as part of a new album as opposed to being marketed as an outtake from the original sessions (even if portions of the track are indeed from the original sessions).
     
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  2. Matthew Tate

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    I got it for $65. it was worth that
     
  3. PacificOceanBlue

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    I think the band did a fine job with "Plundered My Soul," "Following The River," and "So Divine" -- but I agree, I would have preferred these remakes as part of a "new" studio album, rather than presented as outtakes. Much like "Tattoo You," going back into the archives to find previous works-in-progress to redevelop and issue as new material on a new album is not unheard of.
     
  4. Dr. Zoom

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    Thanks. I kinda like Plundered.
     
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  5. PacificOceanBlue

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    It is pretty good, but hardly sounds like an Exile "outtake." One wonders how much of the Plundered master actually contains authentic Exile-era music.
     
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  6. Dave Gilmour's Cat

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  7. budwhite

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    It's being discussed on the Springsteen archives live series thread. But feel free to start a new thread about this famous concert
     
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  8. PJayBe

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    ........and the story is?? I've been through the thread and not found any refernce to it!
     
  9. PJayBe

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    If we're going to get anotehr release of Trapped I'd prefer a 1981 version as Steve's vocals & guitar are far more in keeping with the nature of the songs than Nils' admitterly excellent work.
     
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  10. jeffrey walsh

    jeffrey walsh Senior Member

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    Can a version of Jole Blon be acquired officially or just by bootleg?
     
  11. JoeF.

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    Yes. Taking songs in skeletal or sketch form, often without vocals, and fleshing them out decades later--then selling them as ( wink, wink) "from the original sessions" of "from the vault"---is an unfortunate practice undertaken by both The Stones and Springsteen on a regular basis.
     
  12. Pigalle

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    As of Friday, yes it can. It’s on the Wembley ‘81 archive release.
     
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  13. Pigalle

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    Actually, I realised it’s probably also on other officially released shows since Bruce started making recordings of his shows available in 2014. According to Greasy Lake it has been played six times since then:

    | Bruce Springsteen | Greasy Lake
     
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  14. JoeF.

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    But at least with Tattoo You they were only going back a few years--and in a couple cases, only to the previous release, which had come out about a year before. At any rate, the Mick Jagger of 1981 sounded like the Jagger of 1973, so it was less jarring.

    Physical Graffiti was a similar project.
     
  15. Dr. Robert

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    Although it's absolutely not gonna happen, he could divide the Nebraska/BITUSA into two distinct box sets. Here is the first one:

    MURDER INCORPORATED: THE NEBRASKA COLLECTION

    Disc One - Nebraska (Remastered)
    Disc Two - Murder Incorporated (Remastered)
    Disc Three - Electric Nebraska + Outtakes
    Disc Four - January '82/April '82 Outtakes

    With the second disc being, ala "The Ties that Bind", Bruce's May 1982 track sequence for the album:

    Side One:
    01 Born in the USA
    02 Murder Incorporated
    03 Downbound Train
    04 I'm Going Down
    05 Glory Days
    06 My Love Won't Let You Down
    Side Two:
    07 Working on the Highway
    08 Darlington County
    09 Frankie
    10 I'm on Fire
    11 This Hard Land

    The second box set would span from '83 to '84, and be titled Dancing in the Dark :D
     
  16. Dr. Robert

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    Another theoretical version of that, including EVERY SONG RECORDED DURING THOSE SESSIONS:

    DISC ONE - NEW JERSEY HOME DEMOS
    01 Nebraska
    02 Atlantic City
    03 Mansion on the Hill
    04 Johnny 99
    05 Highway Patrolman
    06 State Trooper
    07 Used Cars
    08 Open All Night
    09 Losin' Kind
    10 My Father's House
    11 A Reason to Believe
    12 The Big Payback
    13 Pink Cadillac
    14 Born in the USA
    15 Downbound Train
    16 Child Bride

    DISC TWO - GARY US BONDS SESSIONS
    01 Cover Me
    02 Protection
    03 The Lion's Den
    04 Hold On (To What You Got)
    05 Out of Work
    06 Club Soul City
    07 Love's on the Line
    08 Rendezvous
    09 Angelyne
    10 All I Need
    11 The Last Time

    DISC THREE - ELECTRIC NEBRASKA SESSIONS
    01 Nebraska
    02 Atlantic City
    03 Mansion on the Hill
    04 Johnny 99
    05 Highway Patrolman
    06 Used Cars
    07 Open All Night
    08 Losin' Kind
    09 A Reason to Believe
    10 Johnny Bye Bye
    11 Robert Ford
    12 Gun in Every Home
    13 Common Ground (Stay Hungry)
    14 William Davis

    DISC FOUR - MURDER INCORPORATED SESSIONS
    01 Born in the USA
    02 Murder Incorporated
    03 Downbound Train
    04 I'm Going Down
    05 Glory Days
    06 Love Won't Let You Down
    07 Working on the Highway
    08 Darlington County
    09 Frankie
    10 I'm on Fire
    11 This Hard Land
    12 Wages of Sin
    13 A Good Man is Hard to Find

    DISC FIVE - MURDER INCORPORATED AND MORE
    01 Stop the War
    02 Baby I'm So Cold
    03 On the Prowl
    04 Fade to Black
    05 Your Love is All Around Me
    06 I'm on Fire (longer fadeout)
    07 Born in the USA (complete version)
    08 Glory Days (unedited version)
    09 Darlington County (longer version)
    10 I'm Goin' Down (extended version)
    11 My Father's House (extended version)

    BONUS DISC - COLTS NECK REHEARSALS
    01 Your Love is All Around Me
    02 Working on the Highway
    03 Glory Days
    04 Darlington County
    05 Stop the War
    06 Reason to Believe
    07 Baby I'm So Cold
    08 TV Movie
    09 Bells of San Salvador
    10 A Good Man is Hard to Find

    Obviously not gonna happen, sadly enough. At least I tried :D
     
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  17. PacificOceanBlue

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    Looks good. It would be nice if you could add the so-called "garage" demos ("Unsatisfied Heart," "The Klansman," "Sugarland," Follow The Dream," etc.). It will be a serious disappointment if that material is not represented on the early 1980's period box set(s).
     
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  18. Dr. Robert

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    That would go into the 83-84 box set, :D
     
  19. JoeF.

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    Some of these theoretical box sets would be great, but as I said much earlier on this (or a similar thread), I remain unconvinced that an "electric" Nebraska really exists in the complete form that many people expect--which would lead to the use of modern day vocals and instrumentation to render them releasable......
     
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  20. Sean Murdock

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    How do you categorize songs like "Downbound Train," "Born In The USA" and "Working On The Highway"? They originated as Nebraska demos, but they were successfully converted to E Street Band tracks and ended up on BITUSA. Everyone talks about the mythical "Electric Nebraska" -- aren't these three songs technically fruits of that project, hiding in plain sight?

    Another thing I'd suggest is that we fans always consider the Electric Nebraska sessions to be a "failure" because Bruce scrapped them and released the demo tape. But that just means the songs weren't recorded to BRUCE'S satisfaction, right? The notorious perfectionist, who often rejected brilliant tracks just because he wasn't happy with them? ("This Hard Land" anyone?) I wouldn't be shocked at all if there are great takes of all those Nebraska tracks they tried out with the band in 1982.

    EDIT: I see my first point was made months ago, so I will second it!
     
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  21. JoeF.

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    I understand all your points and yes it's true that we've heard many songs originally recorded as demos for what became Nebraska turn up electrified on BitUSA so we know that an "acoustic" BitUSA certainly exists. But if Bruce wasn't satisfied with how some of the songs were turning up with a full band arrangement, how can we be sure that they were completed during 82-84? At what point were these songs"scrapped?" Why should we assume they were finished then discarded? We know that another great song from that period, "Murder Incorporated" has already been released -- on Greatest Hits --but "This Hard Land" showed up on that compilation in a version recorded in 1995. So if Bruce was unsatisfied with the earlier version (widely bootlegged) in 1984 and again in 1995, why should we assume he'd be happy with it now?
    Look, I really hope the original Electric Nebraska sees the light of day in a complete, ready-to-release form, but I doubt it does. Going by Springsteen's ( and Landau's) M.O. when it comes to compiling archival releases, it won't come out unless it's been radically reworked --that is to say"finished"--in the present.
     
  22. JAuz

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    Does anybody like the 1995 version of "This Hard Land" better than the 1982 version? (the one finally released officially in 1998 on Tracks)

    Anybody besides Bruce that is?
     
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  23. J_D__

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    Does any other artist have so many songs to select from to put on an album? He really takes the icing off the cake.
     
  24. graveyardboots

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    Tracks had its share of comparatively minor embellishments: Thundercrack is the most obvious example but Hearts of Stone featured new horns at the end, Gave It a Name was an entirely newly recorded track, and every track was newly remixed - with some featuring odd mixes (like using an alternate mix of Johnny Bye-Bye that features a drum machine in lieu of the drum tracks Max Weinberg recorded for the original B-side).

    The Ties That Bind box set had three newly recorded lead vocals (Whitetown, Night Fire, and Meet Me in The City) with at least one more, Chain Lightning, being a non-vintage lead vocal. Stray Bullet has some anachronistic musical embellishments toward the end of the track.

    The Promise is, by far, the biggest travesty with more than half of the tracks receiving all new lead vocals: Gotta Get That Feeling, Someday We'll Be Together, One Way Street, Because the Night, Wrong Side of the Street, Rendezvous, Fire, Spanish Eyes, It's a Shame (which should have been the name of the box set), The Little Things My Baby Does, and Breakaway. At least two more have some new vocals mixed with vintage vocals: The Brokenhearted and a tiny bit of City of Night. What baffles me about this set is that, for a fair number of these tracks, perfectly serviceable vintage vocals were recorded and circulate as bootlegs: Gotta Get That Feeling, One Way Street, Rendezvous, Fire, and Spanish Eyes (the vintage vocals for Wrong Side of the Street and Because the Night were both scratch vocals with largely incomplete lyrics). Racing in the Street featured a new violin track by David Lindley (who actually did record some violin parts during the original Darkness sessions), new horns on Talk to Me, and new strings on The Promise (with some key lyrics inexplicably excised from the track). That's not counting Save My Love, which is an entirely newly recorded track and is noted as such in the liner notes.

    Springsteen's propensity to "finish" vintage tracks decades after the fact is, without contest, my least favorite characteristic of his vault releases and it tempers my enthusiasm for the inevitable Born in the USA deluxe reissue.
     
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  25. JoeF.

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    Nice work, graveyardboots-- I agree with everything you say, but ironically, I actually enjoyed The Promise and played it a lot when it came out--but I didn't fall for The River box and am perfectly satisfied with my old boot of The Ties That Bind. To me--and I've said this many times on similar threads, perhaps earlier on this thread--it's all about presenting things honestly. If Bruce had said, "Here's some things we worked on while we recorded Darkness on the Edge of Town that we never got a chance to finish....until now. I hope you enjoy it"--that would have made all the difference in the world. No one would be fooled into thinking they were listening to some Holy Grail, timestamped 1977/78 "lost classic"--and we could all enjoy the songs on their merit. But some stellar songs such as "Breakaway" and "The Brokenhearted" are so "new" that they could have been included on Working on a Dream, making that album much stronger. Ditto for "Spanish Eyes", a good song , but laughably anachronistic. There's nothing wrong with passing off old material as "new"---Neil Young used to do that a lot--but there's something seriously wrong with passing of new material as "old."

    Not to discourage anyone looking foreword to the inevitable Nebraska/Born in the USA project(s), but this is why I'm not optimistic that we'll be treated to some long-lost treasure trove of takes recorded and completed during the Reagan era. And why I don't believe in the myth of Electric Nebraska.
     

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