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Bruce Springsteen -The Candid Discussion

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Dr. Zoom, Apr 29, 2018.

  1. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    Sure, but that's true for most artists who've been around for years. Madonna has come close to 50/50 new/old on some recent tours, but 25-33% new is probably the max most will do.

    So I'm not saying Bruce is going to play 10 songs from the new album, but 6-7 is reasonable to expect.

    My point was that it's not a "hits tour" as long as the artist plays a decent chunk of the new album. Yes, most of the set will be older songs, but that's inevitable in cases like this.

    "Hits tour" connotes no/little new material...
     
  2. PacificOceanBlue

    PacificOceanBlue Senior Member

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    I hear what you are saying, but if he is playing nearly 3 hours, and only 15 minutes or so is ultimately dedicated to the new material, it will seem like another hits tour. And let's face it, if he is playing large arenas and stadiums, that is what a lot of concert-goers will want to hear, the hits. The hardcore fans do not make up the bulk of people filling arenas and stadiums, far from it. Casual fans and concert-goers fill a lot of seats and they want to hear Born In The USA, Hungry Heart, and Dancing In The Dark.
     
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  3. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    Bruce avoids this "lowest common denominator" issue more than most veteran artists because he gets so many "repeat customers".

    I think you underestimate the number of hardcores at a Bruce show. The percentage of diehards at a Bruce show is way higher than it would be for, say, Elton John or the Stones, so he can play much more challenging setlists.

    Bruce will do a lot of the "hits", but he's not a slave to them like most others.

    And I'd be shocked if he played only 15 minutes of new material - that's three songs!

    I think the "WOAD" tour offered his weakest representation of new material, as even during early shows, he only did like 5-6 of its songs - and it was essentially an afterthought by the end of the tour.

    (The "High Hopes" tour was worse, I think, but I tend not to count it because it was such a short tour and it always felt like an extension of the long "Wrecking Ball" tour...)
     
  4. babyblue

    babyblue Pactches Pal!

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    On the stadium leg of the 2016 tour, I expected setlists full of "hits," but Bruce often pulled out about half of the first album and most of the E Street Shuffle album, sometimes even starting with"NYC Serenade." There were actually lots of surprises for the hardcores, which I didn't expect at all with these large shows.
     
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  5. graveyardboots

    graveyardboots Resident Patient

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    For as long as Springsteen continues to tour arenas and stadiums with The E Street Band, concert attendees should expect Bruce to cull the bulk of his set list from the usual suspects, namely, the Born to Run, Darkness on the Edge of Town, The River, and Born in the USA albums. Whether or not the song selections are genuine hits seems to be less of a concern with Springsteen, as cuts like The Promised Land, No Surrender or Out in the Street (none of which were released as singles, at least in the US) have a far greater chance of being aired than genuine charting hits like One Step Up, Streets of Philadelphia or Secret Garden.

    For better or worse, with some notable exceptions (The Rising, The Ghost of Tom Joad, Waiting on a Sunny Day, Lonesome Day, and Land of Hope and Dreams), the chances of hearing material from his post-1980s output are substantially slimmer. Of course, if he has a new album to promote, a sizable chunk of the album is typically played as well - particularly in the early part of the tour.

    Having said that, there are the occasional curve balls. Concurring with babyblue's comment above, I attended the second to last night of the 2016 tour with The E Street Band and, as it was the 15th anniversary of the September 11 attacks, half a dozen songs from The Rising were played along with well over an hour's worth of material from his first two albums. And, just for good measure, a solo acoustic Long Walk Home opened the encores.
     
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  6. Dr. Zoom

    Dr. Zoom Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    The warhorses are what puts fannies in the seats.

    I do believe he tried to shake things up during the last tour. I never thought I'd hear NYC Serenade in a football stadium. And it sounded really good.
     
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  7. PacificOceanBlue

    PacificOceanBlue Senior Member

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    I hear you, but we are still talking about vintage Springsteen tracks. In 2012, one suspects had he kept his tour set-lists the same as the March 9 Apollo Theater gig set-list, the tour would have ultimately suffered. And one suspects Springsteen would have found it quite inspiring and fulfilling to perform such a fresh set-list night after night, but the public would not have embraced the predominately alternative show. The Apollo set-list would not have worked night after night in arenas and stadiums around the world -- even in 1992/1993, Springsteen had to deviate from his plan to predominately focus on the new material.
     
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  8. musicaner

    musicaner Forum Resident

    yes, 45 min of music on one guitar and 45 min of reading a book. probably cleared half a million a night.
    no band hassling him for money or kids to bother him, 1000 adoring followers fawning and crying over you. No roadies etc

    he never did full album live sets of Lucky Town, Human Touch, Rising etc.
     
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  9. Andre Acvedo

    Andre Acvedo Sargento Primero

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    I have only just seen the trailer to the Netflix Broadway presentation. Does anyone else find it pretentious and cringeworthy? I love his music but I don't think I could watch that.
     
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  10. PacificOceanBlue

    PacificOceanBlue Senior Member

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    I assumed it would be based on recent history, as such, I have no interest in tuning in. There are so many eras and albums from Springsteen that I still admire, so I try to avoid the more recent projects and periods that I find pretentious and nauseating.
     
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  11. Stone Turntable

    Stone Turntable Dedicated Listener

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    Not every post in this thread’s killjoy mausoleum of disappointment porn makes me see red, but the batting average is impressively high.
     
  12. Andre Acvedo

    Andre Acvedo Sargento Primero

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    Yes, I agree totally.
     
  13. Solace

    Solace Forum Resident

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    The strength of this thread, to me, is the opportunity to evaluate Springsteen as an artist a little more critically than is the norm. The man’s done so much great work, he can take it. And because he’s got some integrity, I suspect he’d welcome it too.
     
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  14. Andre Acvedo

    Andre Acvedo Sargento Primero

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    I doubt he'd welcome it but I think he needs it, especially recently. Unfortunately music press are so desperate not to rock the boat of rock royalty in case they cut them off completely and affect their depleting sales even further.
     
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  15. dprokopy

    dprokopy Forum Resident

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    Has he really done a full-scale football stadium size tour in the U.S. since 1985? He's a consistent draw, but not like that anymore. I think he's content playing multiple arena dates in areas that will support that (i.e., New Jersey/New York) rather than stadiums anymore.
     
  16. Stone Turntable

    Stone Turntable Dedicated Listener

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    I do think there’s a bunch of valid, thoughtful, and useful criticisms and appreciations in this thread.

    But the vein of lazy, fickle, ingrate disillusionment running through the entire discussion is odious to me.
     
  17. Andre Acvedo

    Andre Acvedo Sargento Primero

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    Yeah, he did one in 03. Not sure after as I didn’t follow him after that period.
     
  18. budwhite

    budwhite Climb the mountains and get their good tidings.

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    You don’t have to read it you know.
    There's always Greasy Lake forum for blind faith views
     
  19. blair207

    blair207 Forum Resident

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    I don't know what made you think that. The show is a Theatre presentation of what he considers the important parts of his autobiography along with solo renditions of songs from his career that he thinks tie in with that narrative. I haven't crossed the pond to see the show live but I am looking forward to the Netflix broadcast.
     
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  20. blair207

    blair207 Forum Resident

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    What is pretentious about it? I thought the theme was a depressive rock star with a father problem. That's what he is, it's not an act.
     
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  21. Dr. Zoom

    Dr. Zoom Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Well stated. Look, there will always be the occasional troll.
    Fortunately, most of us are able to keep from wetting our pants when they appear.
     
  22. Dr. Zoom

    Dr. Zoom Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Yeah I saw it and had the same reaction. It's a bit much. I half-expected to see him cure a sidewalk leper after he climbed out of the black SUV.
    They're just trying to sell CDs, DVDs and Netflix subscriptions.
     
  23. The Panda

    The Panda Forum Mutant

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    Marple, PA, USA
    I would pay big money for a night of Bruce telling hysterical stories about his pre fame years and touring stories from the 1970's. He is a natural storyteller and his comic timing is pretty great.
    No script, just some notes. He can free associate all night for all I care.
     
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  24. maxnix

    maxnix Forum Resident

    Just to jump off topic, that phrase "killjoy mausoleum of disappointment porn" is the greatest thing I've read all month, seriously. Okay, back to the regularly scheduled program.
     
  25. robcar

    robcar Forum Resident

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    Denver, CO
    Interesting definition of "trite" there.

    My understanding of the word would seem to apply more accurately to "ooh ooh I got a crush on you" than to "Papa now I know the things you wanted that you could not say/But won't you just say goodbye it's Independence Day/I swear I never meant to take those things away".
     

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