Bruce Springsteen -The Candid Discussion

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Dr. Zoom, Apr 29, 2018.

  1. twicks

    twicks Forum Resident

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    Be fair, it's not just Garry; we're talking about Bruce brooming 5-6 dudes all at once, who he's been playing with for decades and have been practically built into folk heroes by the man himself onstage every night.
     
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  2. blair207

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    A problem with replacing the whole band would be the sheer number of songs the current band can play. Sometimes with the current band they make a mess of a less frequently played number but they can play anything from the well known albums and a whole load of cover versions instantly. Taking a new band on the road would definitely mean less variety in the set lists.
     
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  3. Dr. Zoom

    Dr. Zoom Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    If he dismissed the whole ESB like he did in 1989 (extremely unlikely), then yes, there would likely be some impact. But it’s 2018, and as long as he has an “E Streeter” or two or three behind him, ticket sales will remain brisk.
     
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  4. INSW

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    I don't even know where to begin with this other than not to.
     
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  5. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    I poked around and that's not accurate.

    FMac still did big venues through the 1990 tour, and even in 1994-95 - without Christine, Stevie AND Lindsey - they played mostly good-sized venues.

    Maybe I missed something, but I don't see any 1990s tours that consisted of small theaters... :shrug:
     
  6. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    I'm a massive Bruce fan and I admit I don't really care that much about E Street. Actually, I kinda wish Bruce would go all "New Band" on us again and essentially start over.

    I go to the shows to see Bruce. As long as his backup band supports him well, I'm not especially invested in who's there...
     
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  7. PacificOceanBlue

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    Agreed. Again, if The Eagles are going to fill arenas without Glenn Frey, Springsteen is going to be able to fill arenas with replacements as well. Granted, some deep fans will jump ship (I certainly will not attend an Eagles show without Frey), but the masses will keep showing up because they want to see a show by the brand. There are some fans that think the majority of 25,000 concertgoers going to Springsteen shows are hardcore fans that will suddenly cease supporting the Boss if he makes a wrong move with the E Street line-up, but that is not the case.
     
  8. musicaner

    musicaner Well-Known Member

    i dont know why your quote is on there it wasnt meant to be
     
  9. musicaner

    musicaner Well-Known Member

    Exactly. He build them up as the ...well you know ..there is a whole rundown about the viagra etc
    if he deletes them overnight there may be a problem with the faithful.
    there is 0 chance of him doing a rock tour with out roy, nils, max, steve etc. 0.00000. there is no sense in discussing it as it wont happen.
    FM is a band where various members sing and write songs. apples and oranges. nils and steve dont sing during bruce shows.
     
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  10. PacificOceanBlue

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    You are correct, I simply recall Mick referring to a major drop-off in attendance (and apparently they started routing a lot of amphitheaters by 1995, where seating could be scaled back). Many of these legacy artists continued playing the same venues, to diminishing returns (Van Halen still played amphitheaters and arenas with Cherone in '98, and it was well known throughout the industry that promoters got killed because of attendance issues). Without question, they band's fortunes returned when Lindsey returned.
     
  11. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    I don't think diehards make up the majority at Bruce shows, but it's a way higher %age than for almost any other arena artist - way more than the Eagles or Fleetwood Mac would get.

    I don't know if there's another arena act that gets as high a %age of diehards per show as Pearl Jam, though...
     
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  12. Oatsdad

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    "The Dance" marked a major comeback because Stevie, Christine AND Lindsey all returned at the same time.

    I'm actually semi-shocked they still played decent-sized venues in the mid-90s without any of those 3 - especially without Stevie. Lindsey and Christine matter to fans, but to a lot of people, Stevie IS Fleetwood Mac...
     
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  13. PacificOceanBlue

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    Agreed. Like I previously stated (I made an edit to my post after you quoted it), the band started playing amphitheaters, and IIRC, Mick said attendance started to become an issue around that time.
     
  14. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    Yeah, just because they played decent-sized venues doesn't mean they sold lots of tickets in those decent-sized venues! :)

    They did have enough demand for 2 shows here at Wolf Trap, a medium-sized shed, though I don't know if that's all that meaningful. Wolf Trap gets a Wolf Trap crowd - I've seen artists like kd land and Elvis Costello sell 6000 tickets at Wolf Trap but then not be able to sell out the 1200-capacity 9:30 Club! :help:
     
  15. Murph

    Murph Somewhere...under heaven

    I think after one Springsteen gig, people are converted to diehard status
     
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  16. Squealy

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    Weren’t Fleetwood Mac on a triple bill with Pat Benatar and REO Speedwagon for that mid 90s tour?
     
  17. PacificOceanBlue

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    That would make sense.
     
  18. Squealy

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    Apparently Lindsey even called up Mick and told him he was damaging Fleetwood Mac’s name doing that.
     
  19. PacificOceanBlue

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    Yeah, there was a lot more to the band's touring activity in the early 1990's than just playing amphitheaters, the band allegedly wound up on package tours and played to diminishing audiences. They had gone from one of the premier bands in the world, to has-beens on nostalgia bills. Once Lindsey, Stevie and Christine all agreed to reform, the band went back to headlining status. Now, outside of a few diehards, no one seems to care, and the band is filling arenas without a key member. In the contemporary concert climate, the brand is bigger than the individual artists. In the case of Springsteen, he is the main attraction, and if he fills his band roster of musicians and calls it the E Street Band, the brand will sell.
     
  20. graveyardboots

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    This may have been true in the 70s and 80s. I'm not sure it's still true these days.

    I attended opening night of the Wrecking Ball tour (March 2012) with three friends. Two of them had seen Springsteen once or twice before and the third had never seen him. That third person got bored part-way through the show and she actually disappeared for about half an hour to go chat up an old friend from high school. Needless to say, she did not convert to a die-hard fan that night and, in fact, she now says she doesn't understand what I see in the guy. The other two had a good time but neither one could be considered a die-hard fan (then or now).
     
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  21. Dr. Zoom

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    I still think there’s a chance for a Billy Joel-type monthly residency with the ESB at Madison Square Garden. Close to home, easy logistics, and profitable. They’d sell out every night.
     
  22. adm62

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    Bruce isn't going to fire the E St Band. And they are not going to fire him. I read somewhere that they make up to a million dollars each on tour. Without him they probably make a few thousand when they venture on the road. Steve has (many) other interests, so he is probably the most self sufficient financially. Max made a lot of money on TV too, but I am sure he is waiting for the call.
     
  23. musicaner

    musicaner Well-Known Member

    any band he takes on the road will end up trying to play like the EStreet. Outside of financial considerations in makes no sense. it would be like the Pope firing the school of cardinals and recruiting a new one. wont stick.
     
  24. PacificOceanBlue

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    I disagree. Some of the Springsteen faithful still believe no one is better and that it is almost a religious awakening experience to see the man in concert, but it is absurd to assert thousands of people leave the venue as diehard converts.

    I remember overhearing someone years ago during the magic tour era tell her friend about her weekend. She and a group of couples rented a limo and went to a Springsteen concert. They didn’t own Magic, they went for the hits and a fun night, mostly wanted to hear songs from BITUSA. She complained that the concert was too long and that there were not enough recognizable songs. I doubt she and her friends ever attended another Springsteen show.
     
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  25. SoundAdvice

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    I'd be more worried about Bruce's US audience dropping off the grid than the "classic" ESB members.
     

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