Californication - Reissue - Cut by Bernie Grundman

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by mikemoon, Jul 19, 2012.

  1. Please give us a review when you can, I'm curious as well. I would buy but just want to be sure before I spend the money, :).
     
  2. mikemoon

    mikemoon Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Haha, that's exactly how I used to listen to this album...with the top down. No wonder it didn't bother me that much.

    Man, I hope this one sounds good. I know it's likely cut from high rez or if it is done from an analog master, it's horrible marketing. Also, if it's cut from a substandard file, why even hiring the services of BGM which I'm sure isn't the cheapest around.
     
  3. dgstrat

    dgstrat Senior Member

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    West Islip, NY
    A little scary that it just says "cut". Not mastered, or remastered like many of their other listings.
     
  4. mikemoon

    mikemoon Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    IIRC, does the word "cut" mean the same thing as "mastered" when referring to vinyl mastering. It is a weird way to promote it in a press release and it is also a bit vague.
     
  5. skypicnic

    skypicnic Active Member

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    Brooklyn, NY, USA
    The recent BSSM vinyl reissue also says "cut" in the press release and it sounds amazing, so one can only hope the same rings true here.
     
  6. Paul K

    Paul K Senior Member

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    Toronto, Canada
    Cut means vinyl mastering.
     
  7. dobyblue

    dobyblue Forum Resident

    It was cut by Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman Mastering.
    The source was 24/192 WAV files.
     
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  8. mikemoon

    mikemoon Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    That's what I was trying to say, except I wrote a typo "does" sounding like question form, instead of "doesn't"....my fault there and thanks for chiming in.

    Where did you get this information? This could be good news considering the album was mixed digital anyways. It could sound really good.
     
  9. dobyblue

    dobyblue Forum Resident

    Just contacted the mastering house, they were kind enough to say. :righton:

    I'm definitely looking forward to this one now.
     
  10. mikemoon

    mikemoon Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I was wondering if you had the initiative to do that as I couldn't find anything online that was that specific. Thanks for the confirmation.
     
  11. This is good news.
     
  12. MaCs

    MaCs Forum Resident

    This album should be remixed IMHO.
     
  13. mikemoon

    mikemoon Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Why? Was Jim Scott not a competent engineer? Wasn't it mixed to sound how the band/Rubin wanted it to sound? I guess we could say the same about the original mastering and it's pretty obvious that was bad.:D

    From what I can gather this album was meant to have a different overall feel. It's more of a 'dirty' sounding record (or is that just my car speakers breaking)? The band played live in one room and the basic sound is mono.

    I only pose these questions because I know very little about mixing and I'm not trying to contest your statement, just trying to understand. In saying this, I'd be interested to hear a remix.

    This is a very important record to me.
     
  14. MaCs

    MaCs Forum Resident

    I have heard the "non-mastered" version and even if it sounds much better than the cd version, it doesn't sound great. It sounds very thin (especially drums) and it is very non-dynamic.

    Maybe this was how they wanted it to sound at the time but I really think it could be much better.
     
  15. mikemoon

    mikemoon Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    You could be right but I'm interested to hear what Chris Bellman did. Rarely am I not impressd with his work.
     
  16. He's mastering their current string of post I'm with You singles. Has a replay gain of -9 or -10 dB, no dynamics... At least better than Vlado's -14 for I'm with You, and his EQing is better. Still not what I'd consider good mastering at all...

    24/192? Fine and dandy, but is that pre- or post-brickwalling? Aren't all Chili albums recorded and mixed in analogue? Or is Californication an exception? I know everything up to BSSM was all-analogue, and so was S/A. It hasn't been made clear for IwY although I suspect analogue.
     
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  17. ElevatorSkyMovie

    ElevatorSkyMovie Senior Member

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    Oklahoma
    Recording Red Hot Chili Peppers' Californications

    SoundOnSound
     
  18. Ah, mixed in digital. So there's hope the 24/192 files aren't yet destroyed with brickwalling!
     
  19. Guardian

    Guardian Forum Resident

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    NYC
    I emailed BG and got a response back from a Paul? He said he would happy to look into it next week and provide more information on what source was used for this.

    "We mixed to various digital formats (Apogee DAT, regular DAT, 96K DA88) and analogue 2-track, compared everything, and ended up using the analogue 2-track at 30ips with no Dolby"

    Hopefully its the 30ips tapes...
     
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  20. So why are they mastering from 24/192? D: Pls God make this be the version of Californication we've all hoped for for so long
     
  21. AZRunner

    AZRunner Forum Resident

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    SW FL
    Did anyone get a chance to listen to it yet?
     
  22. travislopes

    travislopes New Member

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    Hudson, Florida
    Mine's out for delivery.

    If anyone is curious as to what certain parts of the album sound like, post 'em here and I'll do my best to get some clips of them up today.
     
  23. walrus

    walrus Staring into nothing

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    Nashville
    Where can I get a copy of this without the auto-tune?
     
  24. The guitar solo in the last minute of Parallel Universe, please. I'll love you so much.
     
  25. vtor67

    vtor67 Forum Resident

    Anyone been able to listen to the new vinyl and can attest to how it sounds?
     

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