Can a record still be considered Near Mint if...?

Discussion in 'Marketplace Discussions' started by Telemark, Apr 11, 2020.

  1. WithinYourReach

    WithinYourReach Resident Millennial

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    I personally would grade any record VG or G if it smelled of smoke or weed. The only exception is Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke soundtrack. I would grade that NM.
     
  2. George Blair

    George Blair Forum Resident

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    If it's a Grateful Dead album just call it NM+
     
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  3. hlennarz

    hlennarz Forum Resident

    If it's a Reggae Record, i'd call it an upgrade. :D
     
  4. Tim Crowley

    Tim Crowley Forum Resident

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    Try Febreeze.
     
  5. Mattatall

    Mattatall Well-Known Member

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    And you would have every right to, but this is based on your purely subjective opinion of a deserving grade, not any guidelines or accepted grading system. Of course 'undergrading' Lps will usually ensure a very satisfied buyer..
     
  6. WithinYourReach

    WithinYourReach Resident Millennial

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    That's kind of why I said I "personally" would grade it that way. I'm plenty aware my own decision doesn't affect how another person wants to handle it. I could care less about that. It was more of humorous response than anything as the OP was looking for.
     
  7. Mattatall

    Mattatall Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I get it, and really any grade given is a 'personal' decision...but it did raise a valid discussion when buying/selling/grading NM Lps that suffer from some smell, which does not fall into any recognized/accepted grading system I've seen...
    I remember as a teen discovering Los Cochinos in my Dad's old box of Lps...opened it up to find the surprise stash hidden inside the car door panel- in the years that followed I earned the right to listen to that Lp lol...compare that creative packaging to today's vinyl where they stuff 2 Lps into one single sleeve, you have to beg just to get an insert with some lyrics...
     
  8. Garson

    Garson Well-Known Member

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    If the record has any unintended odor, it is NOT near mint. That being said, I can’t imagine how much weed and how often one would need to use it for a vinyl record or it’s sleeve to smell like weed. Weed smell doesn’t linger quite as long as cigarette smoke. I would bet that smell dissipates with some isolation from the offending scent origin.
     
  9. Mattatall

    Mattatall Well-Known Member

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    Again, this is an opinion not supported by ANY standard grading system...You're certain it's NOT near mint, but at the same time you have no guideline as to what the grade should be...
     
  10. Garson

    Garson Well-Known Member

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    I am not an expert at grading. But I would not be satisfied buying a record with an irremovable odor graded as NM. Especially if the odor was noticeable from any considerable distance other than with my nose touching it. Would you give a great review to that seller?
     
  11. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

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    At first I didn't agree on smells, some people are sensitive to it like buying vintage gear that smells like smoke. I tell them they should buy new if things like that bother them a lot, and 40-50 year old records records are similar.

    But mold, is mold and thats why we get that musty smell, if I smell it and was going to sell it it would be mentioned. I also put this in the class of water/moisture damage that has to be mention as part of the grading. This is something that can effect more of your records depending how you store them as well as get worse on the specific title with the issue.

    While our records are our records and we acclimate to our environment, we will not know if someone else smells something. If I know the buyer has issues with some odors on records and I'm selling them some more. I'll put it where it can get some outside air and I'll add little pieces clipped off of bounce dryer sheets. I have also sprayed the box/ mailer with febreze to eliminate odors.

    I handle 1000s of records every month, used records are just that, they are generally dirty inside and out. When we get them it's our problem of how we want to care for them. If one has a real problem with odors on them they should shop in person or buy new, or deal with making any record their own.
     
  12. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

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    First off I don't believe in any record as being mint, it's a dumb word in the grading that shouldn't be there. New records are not mint, one can always find a flaw, like you saying you smell something, that maybe someone else does not so it's not mint to you. If your buying used records it will be up to you how you take care of it and restore it, wash it, and store it.
     
  13. ET3311

    ET3311 Remember Durango Larry?

    Perhaps the record gained its weedy smell from the previous owner spilling used bong water on it? Then the smell will stay, but just the weed smoke sticking to a record is something I've never heard of or experienced.
     
  14. Garson

    Garson Well-Known Member

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    we are not talking about mint here at all. This is about NM. Saying something is “dumb” is not helping this conversation. And finally...You’re*
     
  15. Uglyversal

    Uglyversal Forum Resident

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    Never mind the mint, does it cost more?
     
  16. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

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    The word "Mint" is still included, as I said I don't believe any record is mint, so it can't be near mint, mint minus, or any other form of it.

    It might make the record smell better LOL
     
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  17. Garson

    Garson Well-Known Member

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    this is a bad take
     
  18. Mattatall

    Mattatall Well-Known Member

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    I'd argue most smells can be removed with a bit of effort, but I don't disagree bad odors are not desirable. My argument is that obvious smells should always be disclosed by the seller, but should not affect an Lp's grading simply because grading systems don't include 'smells' in their criteria. If the seller did not disclose the smell, and you're not satisfied, then a return would be warranted.

    It's easy to say an Lp is NM condition *but cover has a musty smell*. That's it, finished. There's no mystery there, the buyer knows what they're getting (a smelly Lp in great condition), and no need to make up an imaginary grade.
     
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  19. Michael Ries

    Michael Ries Forum Resident

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    This can be solved simply with a cover / record / smell grading system .

    Smell grading:

    NM/M-: factory fresh smell
    VG++: mostly factory fresh but can have signs of of absorbed smell from storing near other LP’s of similar smell grade
    VG+: an enjoyable smelling LP that while not factory fresh, should not be objectionable
    VG: some lingering mustiness or light smoke smell, but does not overpower olfactory senses
    VG-/G+:dankness is sensed when record is within 3 feet of nose. Mild mold may be present
    G: smokey, musty, and mold evident in same room of record. should be quarantined from other records above this smell grade so it does not bring down the smell grade of other records in your collection
     
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  20. starfieldroad

    starfieldroad chew up your love then swallow

    when I sell something I always indicate any odor issues, including if it is smoke-free.

    I've been on the receiving end of some tobacco-basted items, bad enough that the funk is wafting off the package before it's even opened. that's always unwelcome.

    OP - does it smell like weed-smoke or weed-weed? Absorbing smoke is one thing, the odor of a bag of herb is another (and lesser IMO, since this would not be tarry etc)

    febreze is not a good option here, circulating fresh air is.
     
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  21. Timbo21

    Timbo21 Forum Resident

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    The grading system doesn't mention smell. It is based on it's visual appearance and how well it plays. Therefore, it's not a consideration.

    It may be worth, if you have a vacuum style record cleaner, giving it a dry hoover and placing a rizla in the vacuum chain and then rolling it up with a bit of tobacco and testing the effects. If it has none, send the record back and request a full refund.
     
  22. markshan

    markshan Forum Resident

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    I find that Lysol wipes get musty smells out of jackets. I'll wipe the outside then once it is completely dry if need be I'll put another flat inside the jacket for a day or two.
     
  23. MrSka57

    MrSka57 Forum Resident

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    Clarification? Resale on the forum or through another outlet?
     
  24. Jerry

    Jerry Grateful Gort Staff

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    If we find out someone bought something here in Classifieds with the intention of flipping it here, or on EBay, or anywhere else, not only will that person be banned from Classifieds, they may be banned from this forum. And that has happened a coupe of times, and we found out about it and took action. Other sellers here are very protective, if you catch my drift.

    Clear?
     
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  25. MrSka57

    MrSka57 Forum Resident

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    Thanks.
     
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