Capitol Records 2-track Reel-to-Reel Tapes, 1957-1958

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by MLutthans, Apr 28, 2012.

  1. indy mike

    indy mike Forum Pest

    Did The Music of Christmas (Carmen Dragon and the Hollywood Bowl Symphony Orchestra) make it to one of those super R-T-R tapes? That's a title that would make a splendid audiophile reissue.
     
  2. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    Here's a list that MMM posted 5 years ago on another forum, and it may fill a few catalog-number holes:

     
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  3. PaulKTF

    PaulKTF Senior Member

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    This is all very interesting. It seems there's always some obscure format I've never heard of popping up around here. :)
     
  4. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    I'm still waiting for somebody to post a sample of one of these:
     

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  5. PaulKTF

    PaulKTF Senior Member

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    Wow! See, there you go again! :) That's the very definition of "obscure".
     
  6. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    Just for yuks, here are some shots I took a few years ago of that Sinatra reel:
     

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  7. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    and:
     

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  8. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    The on-tape labels are an odd sort of gold foil that doesn't photograph or scan very well, but they look nice in person.

    Matt
     
  9. coleman

    coleman Forum Resident

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    Matt, thanks so much for starting this thread and posting your scans. Truly fascinating!
     
  10. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    You are welcome! My pleasure!

    Matt
     
  11. Jayson Wall

    Jayson Wall Forum Resident

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    After reading this thread, I just played my 2-tracks of “Love Is The Thing” and “Space Escapade”, and boy, they don’t suck! Since the Capitol stereo mix on the “Z” series is different than the LP stereo mixes, can we say the same for the RCA 2-tracks compared to their LP counterparts, or was this just a Capitol thing?
     
  12. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    I only know Capitol, sorry.

    Play SPACE ESCAPADE again, this time, reverse the speaker leads on one of your speakers. Report back.
     
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  13. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    Thanks for the samples Matt of the Capitol tapes. Wonderful! I would pay dearly to hear some of these titles.

    Keely Smith and Nelson Riddle - oh yes.
     
  14. bferr1

    bferr1 Forum Resident

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    Were there any other Sinatra titles offered in this series?
     
  15. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    Nope. Three by Nat, three by Gleason, one Frank. My guess? Had COME FLY WITH ME not had stereo defects, it would have been released this way, but even the stereo LP didn't come out until something like 1962.

    Matt
     
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  16. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

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    I remember walking by the Mobile Fidelity demo room at CES and looking at one from a stack. I thought, "eh, I'm happy with the CD." It didn't occur to me that they might be collectors' items someday... :(

    I can recall passing by all kinds of weird late-1950s pre-recorded reel tapes at garage sales 20 years later, stuff like this:

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    I also passed up some of those weird early RCA cassettes, but eventually managed to add one to the archives, just because it was so bizarre.

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  17. Jayson Wall

    Jayson Wall Forum Resident

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    I switch around the left speaker, and to my ears the tape sounded more in phase than before. Then for fun I did the right speaker and replayed the same three cuts. The violins now sound more life like (matter of fact the highs are crisper) and the midrange is simply richer.
     
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  18. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    Vidiot, you do realize that the woman on that tape cover represents the unattainable fantasy of a large percentage of the nerds on this forum, right?

    Matt
     
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  19. kwadguy

    kwadguy Senior Member

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    Through even the '90s, you could find the '50s 2-track pre-recorded tapes cheap. They were dismissed on the basis of the repertoire (very little rock or big name collectable jazz artists). It wasn't until eBay really took hold that interest in those started to accelerate. I don't see too many cheap 2-tracks anymore.
     
  20. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

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    Somebody was buying those tapes in 1958!

    Many of the ads in the Stereo Review mags of that period are hilarious. One of my long-dormant projects was to digitize every issue as PDFs and either license them for sale, or at least post them somewhere.
     
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  21. McLover

    McLover Senior Member

    Capitol's 2 track tapes are real ribbons of sonic beauty. Pure poetry. I only have a challenged copy of "The Stars In Stereo" and "The Music Man" in superb condition. Angel actually issued at least 8 titles on 2 track tape. I like 2 track tapes a great deal. Capitol made great ones, Westminster also did. Mercury is a favorite. RCA Classical is nice, the pop 2 tracks are very hit and miss. Bel Canto tapes are usually great.
     
  22. action pact

    action pact Music Omnivore

    That's the tape I'd most like to hear!
     
  23. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    I had forgotten that over two years ago, as part of this thread, I had posted brief samples from Nat "King" Cole's "Just One of Those Things" reel, #ZD-28, still posted (Quicktime required) here: http://web.mac.com/mlutthans/iWeb/Site 52/ZD28 1.html

    (There's a Sinatra link embedded in that page, but it's no longer active, so don't click it unless you want to see photos of the inside of a movie theatre.)

    Matt
     
  24. Tom R

    Tom R Forum Resident

    These sound wonderful. Any idea how many copies were released back then?
     
  25. Ken K

    Ken K Forum Resident

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    Sayreville, NJ USA
    Hi everyone,
    Although I have been a member of this forum for a while, this is actually my first post! This thread really caught my attention as I have the Hollywood Bowl Christmas tape. It is ZF-14 and sounds fantastic! It is a truncated version of the LP and features a different mix like the other tapes in the series. I transferred it to digital and play it at Christmastime. Some pics:
     

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