CD burning & errors and disc types; tips.*

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Radley, Feb 5, 2023.

  1. Radley

    Radley Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    San Francisco
    There have lots of discussions on CD burning & errors and disc types...et al

    I have come to a use pattern that I hope this helps. I have no scientific evidence but this works for me and I don't any problems with CDs.

    First, I let the machine "warm up". At least a half hour before I use it, usually a full hour. Years ago I installed a HHB cd burner in a church. They reported back that they were having problems with the discs and I suggested they turn the machine on 30 minutes before service and they never had a problem since.

    If you ever came from a background of transferring reel to reel tapes and having to bake them for hours then you know turning on the CD recorder an hour before is not that big a deal.

    Second, I always let the CD recorder or digital unit CYCLE. I always wait for it's software to catch up. Like door open, door close, reading the disc, etc... These units have very basic code and it's rarely well done so I'm just patient, even if it's just ejecting a disc I wait until it's back to it's "home" menu before turning it off. It seems to work for me as my units are still working great.

    Lastly, all CDs have errors. It's only when that error rate has been exceeded that there's problems. So again I've devolped a quirky solution. I only buy good Sony blanks. My reason for it goes back to the old dude who was President of Sony (the guy shaking hands with Frank Zappa when they delivered the first digital multi-track). He was famous for going into stores and buying Sony products. If he got it home and it didn't work so there would be bloody hell to pay back at the factory. So Sony didn't know when or what he'd be buying and they up'd their quality control. I think it's a true story even though I didn't tell it very well.

    I hope these little tips help and yes, I feel neurotic as hell for doing it but again, the disc's turn out great and the gear has lasted.
     
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  2. harby

    harby Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland, OR, USA
    If you want to "warm up" a CD burner, just turning it on won't do much. Run a few 48x CD rips or burn simulates on it, and feel the top of the drive get nice and warm (having an external bare drive with IDE-USB adapter to experience that outside of computer heat). I can't suggest that's going to make for improved burns, but at least it's stable from start to end then.

    "Sony" brand, you actually read the old-stock media's ATIP manufacturer data, you probably get Taiyo Yuden or Mitsubishi.

    I think the only manufacturer of CD-R left is CMC, and they sell "CMC Pro" brand from the Taiyo Yuden production assets they acquired.
     
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  3. Gaslight

    Gaslight ⎧⚍⎫⚑

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    Northeast USA
    Interested how you find good SONY blanks in 2023.

    Didn't they get out of that business like 11 years ago? Must be old stock then. Really old stock.
     
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  4. rjp

    rjp Senior Member

    Location:
    Ohio
    haven't seen a sony blank in years.......
     
  5. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

    Location:
    Bay Area, U.S.A.
    Who burns CDRs in 2023?
     
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  6. Rodant Kapoor

    Rodant Kapoor Forum Resident

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    I still do because the CDRs sound better through the DAC in my CD player right now.
     
  7. jfeldt

    jfeldt Forum Resident

    Location:
    SF, CA, USA
    :wave:

    I burn CDs for the car
     
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  8. Bolero

    Bolero Senior Member

    Location:
    North America
    I burn CD's all the time: different rooms, different systems, visiting friends & bringing music, car etc
     
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  9. Tiger Rag

    Tiger Rag Well-Known Member

    Location:
    UK
    I do, i have 3000 of them, and i also use mini discs.
     
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  10. BruceS

    BruceS El Sirviente del Gato

    Location:
    Reading, MA US
    I do on occasion. I just did one the other day, as a hardcopy backup. I even have an HHB BurnIT, which if you leave on for an hour, a day, or a week is still likely to misbehave. Oh, and CD-RWs are perfect for audiobooks to listen to in the car.
     
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  11. BruceS

    BruceS El Sirviente del Gato

    Location:
    Reading, MA US
    I have both a CD/MD deck and CD/CD-R deck right here in my home office. Sometimes I even use them! :cool:
     
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  12. siebrand

    siebrand music lover

    Location:
    Italy
    Sure.
    Or you use a Tascam SS CDR250N...:D.
    I know, there dwon't be many owners here,
    I know, too, it's not cheap.
    But it's a GREAT machine, works really fine.
    OK... a "semiprofessional" gear, or if you want, a PROFESSIONAL one.
    But that is a PRO, not certainly a negative point.
    It's also used in professionalità recording studios... There will be a reason :)

    I wrote here about my latest fantastic purchase.
    Sadly, nobody seems to care ==>

    My new toy: Tascam SS-CDR250N .. .. .. owners, here?

    At any rate, yes, sure Sony CD-Rs are fine, but I (almost) always use Verbatim, they are very good.
    Beware that the good old days of Sony that never breaks and always works perfectly are over for many years. It has become a brand like many others....

    I do... :wave:

    NEVER, NEVER, NEVER burn 48 or 100 or 12 X!
    If possible, use the 1x1 function, because, really... Sound Quality matters!
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2023
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  13. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    B.C.
    :agree: Another CD burner here. I use an old 2003 made in Japan Plextor burner at 1X because it sounds best along with JVC Taiyo Yuden made in Japan CD-R's.
     
  14. kundryishot

    kundryishot Forum Resident

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  15. Classic Car Guy

    Classic Car Guy - Touch the Face of God -

    Location:
    Northwest, USA
    Approximately how many songs or minutes of good quality music can you burn in a disc. Do they come with different capacity sizes and sound quality?
    Thanks... CCG
     
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  16. rexp

    rexp Forum Resident

    Location:
    SE Asia
    You cured the CD?
     
  17. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    When I get a CD drive that starts acting badly, out she goes.
     
  18. siebrand

    siebrand music lover

    Location:
    Italy
    80 minutes, even if I would'nt go so far, normally, 74 minutes is the CD Red Book Standard. (even if on the CD-Rs themselves -see attached photo- there is an indication of 80 minutes...
    If you go further, with some CD players, there could be some problems.)

    Obviously, "how many songs" is impossible to give a reasonable answer: let's say... 15 song of 5 minutes each, or 10 tracks of 7 minutes each...:righton:

    [​IMG]
     
  19. Rodant Kapoor

    Rodant Kapoor Forum Resident

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    The CDRs I use are 80 minutes in length.

    If I don't have the CD, and I must listen to something, I'll sometimes burn it to a CDR or CD-RW to play in my CD player. I don't do this very often though.
     
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  20. BruceS

    BruceS El Sirviente del Gato

    Location:
    Reading, MA US
    Have found that on an 80-minute disc, you can go to 79:59.
     
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  21. DigitalSupremacy

    DigitalSupremacy Compact Disc warrior

    Location:
    Australia
    Am I the only guy on this forum who's collection isn't riddled with burn errors? I think I have one west german pressing of Avalon that throws up a 1 second skip.

    This problem gets discussed every day and I'm always surprised by how many CD's people here own with error problems...kinda making me nervous.
     
  22. velo_TX

    velo_TX Bewitched, bothered, and bewildered am I

    Location:
    Austin TX USA
    I do, to make aural greetings for the holiday season and an occasional musical gift. Sharing is caring. :angel:
     
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  23. Keith V

    Keith V Forum Resident

    Location:
    Secaucus, NJ
    Following
     
  24. Lowrider75

    Lowrider75 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Philadelphia, PA
    Are you talking pressed CD or CDR errors?
     
  25. harby

    harby Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland, OR, USA
    The pre-groove on blank CD-R media is pre-cut, pressed in a factory. The burning laser follows the path and wobble for speed calibration that already exists on the blank disc. 74 minutes is the standard maximum for CD if all specifications are precisely met.

    However, each specification in the redbook standard, minimum inner radius start, minimum groove pitch, minimum speed, has a tolerance which players must accept.

    Pushing each tolerance to its acceptable limit gives a maximum length of 79:57.66. This is how 80 minute CD blanks are made (and now 74 minute blanks are harder to find). The higher density is pre-cut into the pressed blank disc, regardless of whether you use the whole area or not.

    Additionally, one can "overburn", continuing past the normal cutoff into area that is supposed to be reserved as blank. CD-R media has an absolute limit where the pregroove simply runs out, often about 83 minutes in. Maybe a particular player's laser won't go that close to the edge...

    Consider glass mastering and drives that can burn Blu-Ray - 30x the data density. Tighter tolerance on CD is not a challenge to them.

    The sound quality is the same digital audio that was recorded. Only errors in reading can affect that. CD has an extra 10% of data just for correcting errors, along with interleaving that spreads the audio out past scratches.

    This thread, see my post 69, 105, and 121, and more discussion: 80 Min CDR Issue!! Please Help...
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2023

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