CDs with the most dynamic range!

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by steeler1979, Mar 3, 2011.

  1. Henry66

    Henry66 Forum Resident

    Location:
    New Hampshire, USA
    Regarding Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms ...
    Thanks. Just received my copy of this pressing. What a difference. The first track, "So Far Away", has a DR of 20! It sounds sooooo good.

    It really annoys me that I have re-buy albums like this. Fortunately I found it for $2.79 (shipping included!) on Amazon Marketplace.
     
  2. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    ^ IMO there was hardly any need to remaster BIA in 2005 and put out 2.0 track on SACD. 5.1 mix is another story, of course, but even it is not highly regarded here...
     
  3. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    Some more non-rock CDs with DR values over 14 from my collection:

    DR15: Konstantin Lifsch1tz / A Concert in Montreal - CD2
    DR15: Ludger Remy, Les Amis de Philippe / C.P.E. Bach: Harpsichord Concertos Wq 30, 37, 38
    DR15: Manuel Barrueco / !Cuba!
    DR15: Murray Perahia / Beethoven: Piano Sonatas 17, 18 and 26
    DR15: Ofra Harnoy, Michael Dussek / Dvorak: Silent Woods
    DR15: Pepe Romero, ASMF, Marriner / Giuliani: Guitar Concertos - CD1
    DR15: Pepe Romero, ASMF, Marriner / Giuliani: Guitar Concertos - CD2
    DR15: Sviatoslav Richter / The Complete EMI Recordings - CD4
    DR15: The Monteverdi Choir, The English Baroque Soloists, John Eliot Gardiner / Mozart: Cosi fan tutte - CD2
    DR15: The Monteverdi Choir, The English Baroque Soloists, John Eliot Gardiner / Mozart: Cosi fan tutte - CD3
    DR15: The Monteverdi Choir, The English Baroque Soloists, John Eliot Gardiner / Mozart: Die Entfahrung aus dem Serail - CD1
    DR15: The Monteverdi Choir, The English Baroque Soloists, John Eliot Gardiner / Mozart: Don Giovanni - CD2
    DR15: The Monteverdi Choir, The English Baroque Soloists, John Eliot Gardiner / Mozart: Idomeneo, Re di Creta - CD1
    DR15: The Monteverdi Choir, The English Baroque Soloists, John Eliot Gardiner / Mozart: Le nozze di Figaro - CD1
    DR15: The Monteverdi Choir, The English Baroque Soloists, John Eliot Gardiner / Mozart: Le nozze di Figaro - CD2
    DR16: St. Louis Symphony Orchestra, Leonard Slatkin / Barber: Violin Concerto, Cello Concerto, Capricorn Concerto
    DR16: Nigel Kennedy, City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra / Just Listen
    DR16: Nigel Kennedy, Simon Rattle, City of Birmingham Symphony / Elgar: Violin Concerto; Vaughan Williams: The Lark Ascending
    DR16: Paco de Lucia Sextet / Live... One Summer Night
    DR16: The Monteverdi Choir, The English Baroque Soloists, John Eliot Gardiner / Mozart: Die Entfahrung aus dem Serail - CD2
     
  4. JA Fant

    JA Fant Well-Known Member

    Stereophile test CD 1,2,3.
     
  5. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    Some more rock/pop digital albums (CD/DVD/download) from my collection with DR values above 13:

    DR14: Bruce Springsteen / Darkness On The Edge Of Town
    DR14: Chris Rea / On The Beach
    DR14: Eurythmics / Touch
    DR14: Fleetwood Mac / Tango In The Night (24/96, 2011 Remaster)
    DR14: INXS / Kick
    DR14: Lou Gramm / Ready Or Not
    DR14: Mark Knopfler / Cal [OST] (HDCD)
    DR14: Midnight Oil / Diesel And Dust
    DR14: Paul McCartney / Flowers In The Dirt
    DR14: Phil Collins / ...But Seriously
    DR14: Pink Floyd / Delicate Sound Of Thunder - CD2
    DR14: Robert Johnson / The Complete Recordings - CD1
    DR14: Robert Plant / Manic Nirvana
    DR14: Smokie / Bright Lights And Back Alleys
    DR14: Smokie / Changing All The Time
    DR14: Smokie / Midnight Cafe
    DR14: Steely Dan / Aja
    DR14: Steely Dan / Everything Must Go (24/96, 5.1 -> 2.0)
    DR14: Sting / Dream Of The Blue Turtles
    DR14: The Alan Parsons Project / Eve
    DR14: The Alan Parsons Project / Gaudi
    DR14: The Cars / Greatest Hits
    DR14: Tony Carey / Some Tough City
    DR14: Whitesnake / Saints & Sinners
    DR14: Константин Никольский, Алексей Романов / Антология, часть 3: Акустика (13-03-1994)
    DR15: Paul McCartney / Unplugged (The Official Bootleg)
    DR15: Rickie Lee Jones / Rickie Lee Jones
    DR15: Sting / ...Nothing Like the Sun
    DR16: ДДТ / Актриса Весна
     
  6. puffyrock2

    puffyrock2 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Louisiana
    A massive amount of dynamic range on this disc.
    [​IMG]
     
  7. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    ^ DR value? ;)
     
  8. Henry66

    Henry66 Forum Resident

    Location:
    New Hampshire, USA
    This thread is not helping my OCD. I am now on a quest to find higher DR pressings of the duds in my collection. Luckily most of them seem to be going for cheap on the used market.

    Today I received:
    David Bowie / Let's Dance (1983 EMI, "Made in Japan") = DR14
    Mike Oldfield / Tubular Bells (1983 Virgin, UK) = DR14
     
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  9. Henry66

    Henry66 Forum Resident

    Location:
    New Hampshire, USA
  10. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

  11. Henry66

    Henry66 Forum Resident

    Location:
    New Hampshire, USA
    I had to look up what this meant. Can you tell by listening? It does not sound bright to me, and there is plenty of bass.
     
  12. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    ^ You can tell by using, say, EAC. The current EAC version shows Yes in Pre-emphasis column if this flag is present in disc's TOC, while the earlier version of EAC can also show if pre-emphasis flag is set in track's subcode.
     
  13. Henry66

    Henry66 Forum Resident

    Location:
    New Hampshire, USA
    No pre-emphasis detected.
     
  14. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    Ok, another disc with DR16 is a great find ;)
     
  15. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    Some more rock & guitar/lute CDs with DR14+:


    DR14: Chris Rea / Espresso Logic
    DR14: Dire Straits / Alchemy - CD1
    DR14: Dire Straits / Love Over Gold
    DR14: Manuel Barrueco / Bach & De Visée
    DR14: Manuel Barrueco / Bach: Sonatas
    DR14: Manuel Barrueco / Mozart & Sor
    DR14: Nigel North, etc. / English Ayres by Thomas Campion (HDCD)
    DR14: Nigel North / Bach On The Lute Volume 1
    DR14: Nigel North / Bach On The Lute Volume 2
    DR14: Nigel North / Go From My Window (HDCD)
    DR14: Nigel North / Robert Dowland [1610] - A Varietie of Lute Lessons (HDCD)
    DR15: Dire Straits / Money For Nothing
     
  16. Espen R

    Espen R Senior Member

    Location:
    Norway
    It would be very nice to known the Dynamic Range of the tracks "think of me" and "needles and pins". I think there is a bit difference in DR there...

    "think of me" sounds very dynamic to me. The drums are recorded very, very good. Lots of dynamics and transients in spades! Typical great 70's sound.
     
  17. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    Here you go ;):


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    Analyzed: Smokie / Bright Lights And Back Alleys
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    DR Peak RMS Duration Track
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    DR14 -0.10 dB -17.46 dB 3:36 01-It's Your Life
    DR14 -1.74 dB -16.86 dB 4:09 02-I Can't Stay Here Tonight
    DR14 -1.12 dB -16.66 dB 3:13 03-Sunshine Avenue
    DR14 -0.10 dB -17.47 dB 4:44 04-Think Of Me
    DR14 -2.01 dB -18.70 dB 4:50 05-In The Heat Of The Night
    DR13 -0.78 dB -16.10 dB 2:47 06-Needles And Pins
    DR13 -1.15 dB -16.32 dB 2:33 07-No One Could Ever Love You More
    DR13 -1.17 dB -17.30 dB 3:53 08-The Dancer
    DR12 -1.13 dB -17.15 dB 3:52 09-Baby It's You
    DR15 -2.86 dB -19.54 dB 5:30 10-Walk Right Back
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of tracks: 10
    Official DR value: DR14

    Samplerate: 44100 Hz
    Channels: 2
    Bits per sample: 16
    Bitrate: 871 kbps
    Codec: FLAC
    ================================================================================


     
  18. Espen R

    Espen R Senior Member

    Location:
    Norway
    Testikoff, thanks!

    I had thought the difference in DR between the two track would be larger.
    What CD edition do you have?

    I have the remastered CD. It's slightly compressed compared to my Lp.
     
  19. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    ^ I have the original BMG Germany-pressed CDs for Changing All The Time/Midnight Cafe/Bright Lights & Back Alleys ;) They sound great!
     
  20. Henry66

    Henry66 Forum Resident

    Location:
    New Hampshire, USA
    Today some Tangerine Dream concert recordings arrived in the mail:

    DR14: Tangerine Dream / Poland (The Warsaw Concert) (Disc 1)
    DR14: Tangerine Dream / Poland (The Warsaw Concert) (Disc 2)

    (1984 Relativity Records, Bar Code 88561-8045-2)

    DR14: Tangerine Dream / Livemiles
    (1988 Jive Records, CHIP 62, Bar Code 5 013705 107627)
     
  21. chriss71

    chriss71 Active Member

    Location:
    Austria
    Can you post your EAC Levels from this ones! I have a 3CD Box (3 Originals the name of the Box from 1997). I am interested if they have the same masterings as your originals.

    Thanks in advance!

    :cheers:
     
  22. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    OK, here come the other 2 CDs of the bunch:


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    Analyzed: Smokie / Changing All The Time
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    DR Peak RMS Duration Track
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    DR14 -1.78 dB -17.36 dB 3:19 01-Don't Play Your Rock'N'Roll To Me
    DR13 -1.63 dB -18.81 dB 3:28 02-If You Think You Know How To Love Me
    DR14 -0.16 dB -17.30 dB 2:40 03-It's Natural
    DR14 -1.82 dB -17.28 dB 4:07 04-Give It To Me
    DR12 -1.83 dB -16.56 dB 3:55 05-We're Flyin' High
    DR12 -2.65 dB -17.36 dB 3:24 06-Changing All The Time
    DR11 -3.25 dB -17.91 dB 3:04 07-Julia
    DR17 -0.50 dB -20.01 dB 3:55 08-Take Me In
    DR13 -1.44 dB -17.36 dB 3:46 09-Umbrella Day
    DR15 -2.98 dB -19.56 dB 2:42 10-Back To Bradford
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of tracks: 10
    Official DR value: DR14

    Samplerate: 44100 Hz
    Channels: 2
    Bits per sample: 16
    Bitrate: 923 kbps
    Codec: FLAC
    ================================================================================


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Analyzed: Smokie / Midnight Cafe
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    DR Peak RMS Duration Track
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    DR13 -1.05 dB -16.16 dB 3:02 01-Something's Been Making Me Blue
    DR12 -0.95 dB -16.53 dB 3:58 02-Wild Wild Angels
    DR13 -0.73 dB -16.31 dB 4:43 03-Poor Lady (Midnight Baby)
    DR14 -4.76 dB -22.96 dB 3:38 04-When My Back Was Against The Wall
    DR16 -0.59 dB -19.04 dB 5:14 05-Make Ya Boogie
    DR16 -0.35 dB -18.96 dB 4:40 06-Stranger
    DR14 -2.31 dB -18.05 dB 3:38 07-What Can I Do
    DR14 -0.37 dB -17.03 dB 3:46 08-Little Lucy
    DR14 -1.99 dB -19.60 dB 7:34 09-Going Home
    DR13 -2.12 dB -19.27 dB 3:16 10-I'll Meet You At Midnight
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of tracks: 10
    Official DR value: DR14

    Samplerate: 44100 Hz
    Channels: 2
    Bits per sample: 16
    Bitrate: 851 kbps
    Codec: FLAC
    ================================================================================
     
  23. chriss71

    chriss71 Active Member

    Location:
    Austria
    First of all, thanks, but I think that are not EAC Levels (that's DR Levels).

    Here are my EAC Levels from Changing all the Time:

    Track Peak
    -- 98,1
    01 81,5
    02 82,9
    03 98,1
    04 81,0
    05 80,9
    06 73,6
    07 68,7
    08 94,4
    09 84,7
    10 70,9
     
  24. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    ^ do a 20*log(peak_level/100) & compare yourself ;), but I think it's the same mastering.
     
  25. Baron Von Talbot

    Baron Von Talbot Well-Known Member

    I've seen a DR stamp saying 18 db for a Rock album, but I don't remember which one.
    With classical music that is where the big dips come in play.
    I been listening to WAGNER PARSIFAL for 4 hours last night and even on an below average setting there were many regular peaks that were pretty shocking loud late at night . OTH there are parts that are so low you think there is no music going on when you talk to your wife while listening to it.

    The secret is simple. Put a 100 or more musicians in one room and add a large chorus - inside a stone wall in the St Petersburg Mariinsky Theatre where it was recorded and you get an idea why it can get that loud or low...
     

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