That's the problem. You don't "see* music; you *listen* to it. All joking aside, did you try the same mastering on 33rpm and 45rpm to verify whether you can tell the difference (assuming your stereo is revelatory enough, of course)?
Sort by "Latest added" and you will see the release order in reverse (assuming catalog numbers mean anything)
You can't have the *same* mastering at 45 and 33.3! I'd always assumed 45 must be better until our host commented recently that there is no technical reason for 45 to be better (other than you can cut a bit louder). Then I thought, what about inner groove/tracing distortion because the linear speed is higher but, it turns out, if you cut at the same level (i.e. same average groove pitch) tracing distortion will be the same for 45 and 33.3. Maybe the secret is just spacing over two discs - I have 2 disc LPs that play at 33.3 that sound great and I have two disc 45 LPs that sound great.
Assuming I didn't mess it up, here's the releases sorted by catalog number: Charles Mingus - Blues & Roots Product No: AAPA 001-45 Genesis - Selling England By The Pound Product No: AAPA 002-45 Phil Collins - Face Value Product No: AAPA 003-45 John Prine - John Prine Product No: AAPA 004-45 Otis Redding - The Dock Of The Bay Product No: AAPA 005-45 Dr. John - In The Right Place Product No: AAPA 006-45 Ray Charles - Ray Charles Product No: AAPA 007-45 Foreigner - Foreigner Product No: AAPA 008-45 Bad Company - Bad Company Product No: AAPA 009-45 John Coltrane - Giant Steps Product No: AAPA 010-45 John Coltrane - My Favorite Things Product No: AAPA 011-45 Phil Collins - Hello I Must Be Going! Product No: AAPA 012-45 Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway Product No: AAPA 013-45 Yes - Fragile Product No: AAPA 014-45 Alice Cooper - Welcome To My Nightmare Product No: AAPA 015-45 Dusty Springfield - Dusty In Memphis Product No: AAPA 017-45 Crosby, Stills and Nash - Crosby, Stills & Nash Product No: AAPA 018-45 David Crosby - If I Could Only Remember My Name Product No: AAPA 019-45 Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young - Deja Vu Product No: AAPA 020-45 Crosby, Stills and Nash - CSN Product No: AAPA 021-45 Crosby, Stills and Nash - Daylight Again Product No: AAPA 022-45 Buffalo Springfield - Buffalo Springfield Product No: AAPA 023-45 Buffalo Springfield - Buffalo Springfield Again Product No: AAPA 024-45 Wilson Pickett - The Exciting Wilson Pickett Product No: AAPA 025-45 Genesis - Nursery Cryme Product No: AAPA 026-45 Genesis - Foxtrot Product No: AAPA 027-45 Stone Temple Pilots - Core Product No: AAPA 028-45 Stone Temple Pilots - Purple Product No: AAPA 029-45 Hootie & The Blowfish - Cracked Rear View Product No: AAPA 030-45 Matchbox Twenty - Yourself Or Someone Like You Product No: AAPA 031-45 INXS - Kick Product No: AAPA 032-45 The Velvet Underground - Loaded Product No: AAPA 034-45 Otis Redding - Otis Blue- Otis Redding Sings Soul Product No: AAPA 035-45 Otis Redding - Complete & Unbelievable... The Otis Redding Dictionary Of Soul Product No: AAPA 036-45 Bad Company - Straight Shooter Product No: AAPA 037-45 Bad Company - Run With The Pack Product No: AAPA 038-45 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah Product No: AAPA 039-45 John Coltrane - Coltrane's Sound Product No: AAPA 040-45 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues Product No: AAPA 041-45 Genesis - Abacab Product No: AAPA 042-45 Genesis - Genesis Product No: AAPA 043-45 Yes - Close To The Edge Product No: AAPA 044-45 Willie Nelson - Shotgun Willie Product No: AAPA 045-45 Dr. John - Gris Gris Product No: AAPA 046-45 Ray Charles - The Great Ray Charles Product No: AAPA 047-45 Ray Charles - What'd I Say Product No: AAPA 048-45 Foreigner - Double Vision Product No: AAPA 049-45 Daryl Hall and John Oates - Abandoned Luncheonette Product No: AAPA 050-45 Donny Hathaway - Donny Hathaway Product No: AAPA 051-45 Donny Hathaway - Everything Is Everything Product No: AAPA 052-45 T-Bone Walker - T-Bone Blues Product No: AAPA 053-45 Roberta Flack - Killing Me Softly Product No: AAPA 054-45 Otis Redding - The Soul Album Product No: AAPA 055-45 Dr. John - Dr. John's Gumbo Product No: AAPA 056-45 Bad Company - Burnin' Sky Product No: AAPA 057-45 Bad Company - Desolation Angels Product No: AAPA 058-45 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus Product No: AAPA 059-45 Charles Mingus - The Clown Product No: AAPA 060-45 John Coltrane - Ole Coltrane Product No: AAPA 061-45 John Coltrane - Coltrane Jazz Product No: AAPA 062-45 Milt Jackson & John Coltrane - Bags & Trane Product No: AAPA 063-45 Yes - The Yes Album Product No: AAPA 064-45 Yes - 90125 Product No: AAPA 065-45 Ray Charles - The Genius Of Ray Charles Product No: AAPA 066-45 Ray Charles - The Genius After Hours Product No: AAPA 067-45 Foreigner - Head Games Product No: AAPA 068-45 Foreigner - 4 Product No: AAPA 069-45 Boz Scaggs - Boz Scaggs Product No: AAPA 070-45 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement Product No: AAPA 071-45 Genesis - A Trick Of The Tail Product No: CAPA 073 SA
Good point about the mastering not being identical if only due to the volume discrepancy. People have a tendency of picking the loudest, believing it is the best. However, there are some examples of the same engineer with the same tape mastering the same content at both speeds. Rumours is a good example. Regardless of what our host may or may not have stated, I definitely heard more air (not more highs - more air) and instrument separation with the 45rpm but it wasn't pronounced to an insane degree that made my jaw drop and invited the extra record flipping. When given the choice, I stick with 33rpm for both the ability to lose myself in the music for far longer and also to prevent the flow from being interrupted.
Thanks! I have sorted your list alphabetically: Alice Cooper - Welcome To My Nightmare Product No: AAPA 015-45 Bad Company - Bad Company Product No: AAPA 009-45 Bad Company - Burnin' Sky Product No: AAPA 057-45 Bad Company - Desolation Angels Product No: AAPA 058-45 Bad Company - Run With The Pack Product No: AAPA 038-45 Bad Company - Straight Shooter Product No: AAPA 037-45 Boz Scaggs - Boz Scaggs Product No: AAPA 070-45 Buffalo Springfield - Buffalo Springfield Again Product No: AAPA 024-45 Buffalo Springfield - Buffalo Springfield Product No: AAPA 023-45 Charles Mingus - Blues & Roots Product No: AAPA 001-45 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah Product No: AAPA 039-45 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus Product No: AAPA 059-45 Charles Mingus - The Clown Product No: AAPA 060-45 Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young - Deja Vu Product No: AAPA 020-45 Crosby, Stills and Nash - Crosby, Stills & Nash Product No: AAPA 018-45 Crosby, Stills and Nash - CSN Product No: AAPA 021-45 Crosby, Stills and Nash - Daylight Again Product No: AAPA 022-45 Daryl Hall and John Oates - Abandoned Luncheonette Product No: AAPA 050-45 David Crosby - If I Could Only Remember My Name Product No: AAPA 019-45 Donny Hathaway - Donny Hathaway Product No: AAPA 051-45 Donny Hathaway - Everything Is Everything Product No: AAPA 052-45 Dr. John - Dr. John's Gumbo Product No: AAPA 056-45 Dr. John - Gris Gris Product No: AAPA 046-45 Dr. John - In The Right Place Product No: AAPA 006-45 Dusty Springfield - Dusty In Memphis Product No: AAPA 017-45 Foreigner - 4 Product No: AAPA 069-45 Foreigner - Double Vision Product No: AAPA 049-45 Foreigner - Foreigner Product No: AAPA 008-45 Foreigner - Head Games Product No: AAPA 068-45 Genesis - Abacab Product No: AAPA 042-45 Genesis - A Trick Of The Tail Product No: CAPA 073 SA Genesis - Foxtrot Product No: AAPA 027-45 Genesis - Genesis Product No: AAPA 043-45 Genesis - Nursery Cryme Product No: AAPA 026-45 Genesis - Selling England By The Pound Product No: AAPA 002-45 Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway Product No: AAPA 013-45 Hootie & The Blowfish - Cracked Rear View Product No: AAPA 030-45 INXS - Kick Product No: AAPA 032-45 John Coltrane - Coltrane's Sound Product No: AAPA 040-45 John Coltrane - Coltrane Jazz Product No: AAPA 062-45 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues Product No: AAPA 041-45 John Coltrane - Giant Steps Product No: AAPA 010-45 John Coltrane - My Favorite Things Product No: AAPA 011-45 John Coltrane - Ole Coltrane Product No: AAPA 061-45 John Prine - John Prine Product No: AAPA 004-45 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement Product No: AAPA 071-45 Matchbox Twenty - Yourself Or Someone Like You Product No: AAPA 031-45 Milt Jackson & John Coltrane - Bags & Trane Product No: AAPA 063-45 Otis Redding - Complete & Unbelievable... The Otis Redding Dictionary Of Soul Product No: AAPA 036-45 Otis Redding - Otis Blue- Otis Redding Sings Soul Product No: AAPA 035-45 Otis Redding - The Dock Of The Bay Product No: AAPA 005-45 Otis Redding - The Soul Album Product No: AAPA 055-45 Phil Collins - Face Value Product No: AAPA 003-45 Phil Collins - Hello I Must Be Going! Product No: AAPA 012-45 Ray Charles - Ray Charles Product No: AAPA 007-45 Ray Charles - The Genius After Hours Product No: AAPA 067-45 Ray Charles - The Genius Of Ray Charles Product No: AAPA 066-45 Ray Charles - The Great Ray Charles Product No: AAPA 047-45 Ray Charles - What'd I Say Product No: AAPA 048-45 Roberta Flack - Killing Me Softly Product No: AAPA 054-45 Stone Temple Pilots - Core Product No: AAPA 028-45 Stone Temple Pilots - Purple Product No: AAPA 029-45 T-Bone Walker - T-Bone Blues Product No: AAPA 053-45 The Velvet Underground - Loaded Product No: AAPA 034-45 Willie Nelson - Shotgun Willie Product No: AAPA 045-45 Wilson Pickett - The Exciting Wilson Pickett Product No: AAPA 025-45 Yes - 90125 Product No: AAPA 065-45 Yes - Close To The Edge Product No: AAPA 044-45 Yes - Fragile Product No: AAPA 014-45 Yes - The Yes Album Product No: AAPA 064-45
I agree 45 rpm can sometimes be a better playback experience. But it depends on so many factors like the original tapes, mix, and the engineer. I have found, overall the sound to be marginally better on a 45 compared to the 33 1/3 in a shoot out. There are of course, exceptions. I usually prefer 33. Especially for classic albums. I don’t like the breaking up of album sides to accommodate the 45. Also, I don’t want to get up and change sides after 2-3 songs. I personally feel the new 45 push to be nothing more than way to get more of record collectors money. If they provide both options I will always choose the 33. I’m not a fan of only providing the 45 and a 33 that’s digital or only the 45 for the best mastering. I do feel for collectors that don’t have OGs, good used record stores or good sounding early pressings of classic albums because this is only choice for them. IMO.
How is that being somewhat wrong? You've just communicated in more depth what I understood to be the reasoning behind it. I didn't invent it, and it wasn't my personal theory.
I guarantee 95% of the stuff coming from Atlantic for their 33's is using existing metal parts or files. It's a quick way for them to cash in with clear vinyl and big ad campaign. They should've let Chad do the entire thing AAA at 33 like Contemporary or the AS series.
I can’t wait for the Alice Cooper Welcome to My Nightmare release and hope I get a numbered copy with my early preorder. I’ve always enjoyed the Genesis 1983 s/t album. I’m not a fan of Genesis otherwise but really enjoy that entire LP. Anyone else think there’s room to improve the mastering over the original? I haven’t preordered it but could be swayed if the 45RPM remaster slays the original pressing.
If they are preorders then how is anyone to know whether or not anything can slay anything? No one’s heard them yet. Go with your gut.
Wouldn't the linear speed be lower when the circle is smaller? That's why sound quality suffers at the inner grooves - less analog information for the cartridge to pick up compared to the outer grooves where, for example, a 10 second snippet travels a longer path versus inner grooves where the a 10 second snippet is a shorter path and less analog information. If you cut a pie slice out of a circle, there's more 'pie' in the outer portion. Also, what do you mean by "tracing" - tracking?
1oo%.....and if they were 33 rpm, I would be in for 10 or so titles. As it stands, maybe the Mingus that is on the board for release soon, the Crosby IICORMN, CSN couch, Yes: Fragile, and possibly the Yes Album. I'm debating on The Couch album because I have the Classic 33. Chad does his best though, and I do appreciate him. The Zep on 33 AAA is a slam dunk for anyone who may be able to get the rights. Not sure if this story I'm hearing about Mike Hobson releasing the 45 Road case is true. But apparently Jimmy P was not informed of 45 Road Case release, and wasn't too happy. Again, I'm not suggesting there is any truth to this, but it has been speculated upon.
By 'tracing' distortion I mean how well the stylus can trace the groove - at the inner grooves the physical distance between peaks of the groove get closer together as the linear groove speed falls. This is where 45rpm would seem to have an advantage as the speed through the groove is higher and the peaks are more spaced out. But, that is not the case - if you take the same piece of music and cut it at both speeds with the same average groove pitch (same loudness) the 45rpm will finish closer to the label than the 33.3rpm case and, if you do the math, the linear groove speed of both inner groove radii is the same (disclaimer - I am not a cutting engineer so there may be other things going on, but the 'obvious' difference is not actually different!) I call the error of not being truly tangential to the groove 'tracking error', both are worse at the inner grooves so both contribute to 'inner groove distortion'. Now, the fact that the inner groove on a 33.3rpm cut is further from the label it may have the advantage for tracking distortion because that is closer to the inner distortion null point.
exactly. having 7 or 8 different pressings of this, including the 45 rpm, single sided clarity vinyl 4 record set.... this is a non-starter unless it's 45 rpm.
I am not THAT crazy over this series as a whole. Dr. John seems to be solely picked because Chad liked him as a kid. Not crazy about the Bad Company and Foreigner releases either — these “corporate rock” mainstays account for 8 albums!
I'm in for Dr. John Right Place, Bad Company and many others. The Bad Company debut was one of my favorites in high school and if they can knock it out of the park sonically it would be an audiophile classic.. Lot to choose from here, everyone doesn't need to want all 75. So many have been clamoring for audiophile rock releases and this is the ticket. A variety of other genres as well.
I think in general he picked the big obvious titles by the big obvious artists (considering what could be licensed). That's fine, he wants to sell product, and there's probably something for everyone.
I always figured if the record is spinning faster in the same amount of time then the stylus is potentially reading more information in the same amount of time by spinning the record faster. Like back in the VHS days you could do SP, EP and LP storing more information on a tape that’s spinning faster and lower quality video on a tape spinning slower. And my TASCAM 4 track had a low/high switch working off the same principle. Does that same principle not translate to vinyl? Have I been deluding myself all these years? I always believed some of my best sounding records spin at 45.
