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  1. alankin1

    alankin1 Forum Resident

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    Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart – Divertimento K563, Four Adagios & Fugues after Bach K404a/1-3,6
    — Vera Beths, violin, Jurgen Kussmaul, viola, Anner Bylsma, violoncello — L'Archibudelli (Vivarte/Sony Classical)

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  2. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    An old favorite. I strongly suggest getting a copy of this, in any of its incarnations.
     
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  3. Joe071

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  4. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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  5. Joe071

    Joe071 Forum Resident

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    Hey George, thank you for the welcome. Yes, same thing here, especially Mravinsky. For some reason I was always on the fence with Haitink until I heard this performance. Never heard any of his Mahler, and I'm thinking about getting the set.
     
  6. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    For Mahler, I love Barbirolli's 6th.
     
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  7. Joe071

    Joe071 Forum Resident

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    Oh yes. Have it, love it. My favorite, along with Karajan's 6th. Have been listening to Levi's 6th lately. Very interesting performance and quite decent sound. And Szell's 6th ain't shabby at all:righton:
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  8. drh

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    My first recordings of these works. My copy came as half of a two-LP budget Columbia set that coupled them with the Schumann concerto, also an old favorite and also my first recording of that work.
     
  9. bluemooze

    bluemooze Forum Resident

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    Now listening to Disc 3 "Easter Oratorio/Ascension Oratorio" from the Andrew Parrott/Taverner Consort & Players box set on Virgin Classics.

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  10. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    I have always liked Haitink, particularly when he conducted the RCO ...
     
  11. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    I have some recordings by Andrew Parrott, who usually provided the middle-of-the-road approach to these sacred works. However, I much prefer the HIP performances by the likes of Harnoncourt, Leonhardt and Gardiner, etc.
     
  12. Joe071

    Joe071 Forum Resident

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    Have you heard his Mahler cycle with the RCO? Any thoughts, comments, if you have?
     
  13. bluemooze

    bluemooze Forum Resident

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    Now listening to CD 1 - various works, from "Chopin - Oeuvres Pour Piano" by Cortot on EMI. Lots of noise from the original records but still listenable. This 6-disc set is from 1991. Probably the same recordings as on your Naxos but not mastered as well?

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  14. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    Some of the Cortot's Chopin recordings on Naxos Historical were reconstructed/remastered by Mark Obert-Thorn, the best in the business ...
     
  15. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    I have the set and it is quite good with Haitink and the RCO at their best ...
     
  16. Joe071

    Joe071 Forum Resident

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    And do you think there would be any difference soundwise between the 1994 Mahler set and the Mahler symphonies in the new Haitink Symphony Edition?
     
  17. wolfram

    wolfram Slave to the rhythm

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    Händel's "Messiah" now, as usual the Dunedin Consort performance, since it's still the only one I've got.

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  18. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    That is hard to tell. The original Mahler Symphonies by Haitink/RCO were recorded by Philips, the best in the business IMO. Since Philips quit the music business, UniversalMusic is now the owner of the original master tapes, how good a remastering job on the original analog tapes the UM engineers have done is anyone's guess. Unfortunately, my set was issued by Decca, not by Philips. IIRC, the SQ is decent. The Haitink Symphony Edition set may not have newer remastered Mahler Symphonies but I do not know for sure ...
     
  19. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    I have this set, along with twenty-some other versions. This set is definitely not among my top three, though the SQ may be the best. At any rate, the Handel Messiah, as arranged by WA Mozart and sung in German, is the worst version, no matter who the performers were. Too much woodwind and not enough string. Handel Messiah just does not sound right when it is not sung in English, as much as SMP does not sound right when performed in English or any other language other than German ...
     
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  20. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    I spent an evening sorting out the contents of that set, here's the review that I did for amazon:

    Finally picked up this set, since it was dirt cheap here on amazon ($23.62 new for 6CDs.) The seller, Zoverstocks sent this big box in a padded bag, so the rear of one of the cases was damaged. Shame on you, Zoverstocks!

    Since I already own a ton of Cortot's Chopin (because each one is a treasure), I wanted to find out how many of these performances I already had in my collection. Turns out a lot of it I didn't already have, which I am very happy about. In order to determine what I already had, I did a full inventory of the contents, using a discography and the liner notes, labeling the things that appear elsewhere on CD. For the curious, I will post the info here:

    CD 01
    01 Berceuse - 1920 - Pearl 9386 and Biddulph Complete Acoustic Victor Rec
    02 Chant Polonais - 1923 - Music & Arts CD-615, Biddulph LAB 014~15
    03 Op. 10 No. 5 - 1923 - Biddulph Complete Acoustic Victor Rec
    04 Op. 25 No. 9 - 1923 - Biddulph Complete Acoustic Victor Rec
    05 Op. 25 No. 11 - 1923 - Biddulph Complete Acoustic Victor Rec and Pearl 9386
    06 Impromptu 1 - 1922 - Pearl 9386, Biddulph LAB 014~15
    07 Impromptu 2 - 1925 - Biddulph LHW 020, Pearl 9386, M&A CD-317 / CD-4871
    08 Op. 25 No. 1 - 1925 - Biddulph LHW 020, Pearl 9386, M&A CD-317 / CD-4871
    09 Waltz Op. 64/2 - 1925 - Biddulph LHW 020, Pearl 9386
    10 Berceuse - 1926 - M&A CD-317, CD-4871, Biddulph LHW 020
    11 Ballade - 1926 - Biddulph LHW 020, Pearl 9386, M&A CD-717
    12 - 18 Preludes 1926 - Naxos
    19 - 22 Sonata 3 - 1931 - M&A CD-717, Biddulph LHW 001

    CD 02
    01 Prelude Op. 28/12 - 1928 - Only available in this set
    02 Nocturne - Op 9/2 - 1929 - Naxos 8.111245, Biddulph LHW 001
    03 - 06 Sonata 2 - 1933 - Music & Arts CD-717, Biddulph, Brilliant 99228 / 99230
    07 Polonaise no. 6 - 1933 - Naxos, Music & Arts CD-717
    08 - 11 4 Ballades - 1933 - Biddulph
    12 Fantasie - 1933 - Music & Arts CD-717, Naxos 8.111035
    13 Tarantelle - 1933 - Toshiba TOCE-6661~65(5 set) / TOCE-7817

    CD 03
    01 Barcarolle - 1933 - Toshiba TOCE-6661~65(5 set)
    02 -25 Etudes - 1933/34 - Naxos, Philips 456 751-2 (GPOTTC)
    26 - 29 Waltzes - 1934 - Naxos, TOCE-11199~203(5 set)

    CD 04
    01 - 03 Concerto 2 - Barbirolli - 1935 - M&A CD-717, Pearl 9491, Naxos 8.110612
    04 Impromptu 3 - 1933 - Naxos 8.111023
    05- 18 Waltzes (complete) - 1943 - Sirio 530014, Shinseido SGR-8102

    CD 05
    01 -24 Preludes - 1943 - Philips 456 754-2(GPOTTC), Shinseido SGR-8104
    25 - 36 Etudes Op. 10 - 1942 - Shinseido SGR-8103

    CD 06
    01 -12 Etudes Op. 25 - 1942 - Shinseido SGR-8103
    13 - 14 2 Chants Polonais 1939 - Naxos, Biddulph 020, Pearl 9396, M&A CD-662
    15 Nocturne No. 4 Op. 15/1 - 1952 - Naxos
    16 Nocturne No. 5 Op. 15/2 - 1949 - Naxos
    17 Nocturne No. 7 Op. 27/1 - 1952 - Naxos
    18 Nocturne No. 15 Op. 55/1 - 1947 - Naxos
    19 Nocturne No. 16 Op. 55/2 - 1947 - Naxos
    20 -22 3 Nouvelles Etudes - 1949 - Naxos
    23 Prelude - Op. 45 - 1950 - Naxos

    As you can see, only one performance is only available here. Wherever a Biddulph, Naxos or Pearl transfer is available, I suggest those transfers ahead of these. Unfortunately, all but the Naxos are now out of print. Hopefully Naxos will continue their series and cover everything.

    The performances in this box set are wonderful! You just don't hear Chopin playing like this anymore, thus making Cortot's special way with Chopin that much more special and in my opinion, essential. Words really can't describe Cortot's playing, so I won't even try. Suffice to say that if you love Chopin, you owe it to yourself to get this set. I gave this set 5 stars, but I have to mention that EMI's (as usual) overfiltered transfers leave something to be desired. They cleaned up these mono recordings nice, but in doing so, washed away some of Cortot's lovely tone.

    One last point, the reviewer who estimated that 75% of Chopin's recordings are here is incorrect. It's actually around 50%. Much of the remaining 50% is on Naxos Historical and I strongly recommend each and every one of those splendid issues. The transfers on Naxos are in another league compared to this set, but they unfortunately have not covered every performance in this set. Hopefully, they will eventually.
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    Since then, I have picked up this box and can strongly recommend it for great transfers and containing almost every Cortot recording:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008V1IR4Q/ref=cm_cd_asin_lnk
     
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  21. bluemooze

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    Now listening to "Hildegard Von Bingen - Celestial Hierarchy" performed by Sequentia on DHM. Beautiful music, beautiful performance, beautiful sound.
    This is the last in the series of Hildegard recordings by Sequentia, and unfortunately it is the only one without founding member Barbara Thornton who passed away in 2012.

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  22. bluemooze

    bluemooze Forum Resident

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    Wow - awesome post. Thanks for the tip on the latest box set. :)
     
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  23. bluemooze

    bluemooze Forum Resident

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    Now listening to "Nouveau Monde - Baroque Arias And Songs" performed by Patricia Petibon accompanied by La Cetra led by Andrea Marcon on DG.

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  24. bluemooze

    bluemooze Forum Resident

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    Now listening to "Sarasate," music of Pablo De Sarasate performed by Julia Fischer with Milana Chernyavska on piano. On Decca.

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  25. bluemooze

    bluemooze Forum Resident

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    Now listening to "D'Amor Ragionando - Ballades du neo-Stilnovo en Italie 1380-1415" performed by Mala Punica on Arcana.

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