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Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by George P, May 29, 2015.

  1. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Anybody here have the Naxos Historical series issues of Claudio Arrau, with Desire Defauw and the Chicago SO, performing R. Strauss's Burleske and Weber's Konzertstuck? They are Mark Obert-Thorn transfers, and I'm just curious how the sound stacks up against others in the series. I just tried my own transfers, and although they look pristine, the sound coming from my copy of the 78s is *horrible.* My first thought was that the records all sound like recuts, and sure enough I found a discussion elsewhere online indicating they were all dubbed, something Victor supposedly did to a number of Defauw's recordings to make them more "brilliant." Unfortunately, on decent modern equipment it makes them sound fuzzy and washed out. I do not envy MOT the task of making these sonic sow's ears presentable to even historically tolerant/minded modern listners.
     
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  2. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    NYC
    This review might help, though I don't have the CD, sorry:

    Arrau Schumann 8111265 [JW]: Classical CD Reviews - February 2008 MusicWeb-International
     
  3. drh

    drh Talking Machine

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  4. Marzz

    Marzz Forum Resident

    Location:
    Australia
    I do have those. They're on separate discs. Rather than potentially mislead you with my attempt at describing the sound (plus I don't have my profile filled out yet - min. 100 lashings right there ;)) I can offer you samples from my CDs if you like. Just let me know
    .
    Alternatively, Chandos offers 60 sec. samples ...
    STRAUSS, R.: Burleske / SCHUMANN: Piano Concerto in A minor / Carnaval (Arrau) (1939-46) Classical Naxos
    BEETHOVEN: Piano Concerto No. 3 / WEBER: Konzertstuck / Piano Sonata No. 1 (Arrau) (1941-47) Classical Naxos

    Also available on Spotify, although I understand that may not be the case for the US? On Youtube as well.
    Again, I have the CDs if needed.
     
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  5. Marzz

    Marzz Forum Resident

    Location:
    Australia
    Can't say I disagree with that review, especially of the Schumann concerto. But I remember enjoying the other works on that cd however. Hmm, might explain why I (almost) forgot I even had this!:p
     
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  6. Marzz

    Marzz Forum Resident

    Location:
    Australia
    @drh
    Also fwiw, copied this from the cd booklets ...

    The Weber Konzertstuck was issued on 78s only in a murky, bass-shy dubbing. (This was also the source for the later Camden LP, which credited the “Century Symphony Orchestra” without mentioning the conductor or soloist). I have transferred it from original postwar American shellac pressings, trying to bring out more of the bass in the process. The final work on the CD, the first recording Arrau made in the USA, was taken down in an unreverberant studio and pressed on noisy, recycled wartime shellac. (Mark Obert-Thorn)

    and

    The Strauss Burleske and the Schumann Piano Concerto were transferred from postwar RCA Victor pressings. All four sides of the Strauss, as well as Sides 5 and 8 of the Schumann Concerto (the beginning of the second movement and the end of the third) were only issued in sonically compromised dubbings. British Parlophone shellacs were the source for Schumann’s Carnaval. (
    Mark Obert-Thorn)
     
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  7. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Thanks! The booklet notes explain a lot, and the excerpts just go to show that Mark Obert-Thorn can work miracles. In the Strauss one, particularly, he's managed somehow to bring the piano forward into balance with the orchestra; in my original pressings, it's noticeably recessed there. That said, close listening to the samples still sometimes reveals traces of the awfulness he was fighting to overcome.
     
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  8. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    NYC
    Robert Silverman has new Beethoven sonata recordings

    Robert Silverman Beethoven Sonatas - Audio High
     
  9. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    NYC
    Thanks, my friend. It did.

    I couldn't agree more.
     
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  10. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    NYC
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    Now enjoying this rare CD by one of my favorite pianists.
     
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  11. drh

    drh Talking Machine

  12. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    NYC
    Yep. The one that sounds like the mics were in the roof at the back of the hall. :sigh:
     
  13. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    NYC
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    Now enjoying CD 01 (Symphony one) from the newly released (at last) Barbirolli Brahms set.
     
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  14. yasujiro

    yasujiro Forum Resident

    Location:
    tokyo
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  15. royzak2000

    royzak2000 Senior Member

    Location:
    London,England
  16. royzak2000

    royzak2000 Senior Member

    Location:
    London,England
    Really like that set I got them in the 90s on, dirt cheap, Royal Classics, a bargain.
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  17. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    Nice, I just enjoyed a listen to the second CD from my set, which contains symphonies 2 and 3.
     
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  18. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    NYC
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    Yesterday was my first time in my favorite local used shop looking for SACDs (I have a new (my first) SACD player) and I decided on these two. Now enjoying the Chopin SACD.
     
  19. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    NYC
  20. Marzz

    Marzz Forum Resident

    Location:
    Australia
    :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
    You inspired me to put on the Rene Jacobs version. Have you heard that one @royzak2000 ? Original 1762 version but with a mezzo-soprano (gorgeously sung by Bernarda Fink) instead of a countertenor. Works incredibly well! That Gardiner is a favourite as well. Actually I have a lot of versions of this, but Jacobs is my go-to.

    NP: Gluck - Orfeo & Euridice (1762) directed by Rene Jacobs with Bernarda Fink (Orfeo), Veronica Cangemi (Euridice) and Maria Cristina Kiehr (Amore). Recorded 2001.
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  21. vanhooserd

    vanhooserd Forum Resident

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    Nashville,TN
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    Attractive Symphonies from 1894 & 1908. No.1 recorded 5/88, Bucharest. Producer: Javier Lavilla Berganza. No. 2 recorded 8/89, Košice, Slovakia. Producer: Gecza Toperczer. First issued on Marco Polo in 1989.
     
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  22. vanhooserd

    vanhooserd Forum Resident

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    Nashville,TN
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    Recorded 12/7-12/92, House of Arts, Košice, Slovakia. Producer: Karol Kopernicky. Engineer: Otto Nopp.
     
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  23. JuniorMaineGuide

    JuniorMaineGuide Forum Resident

    Location:
    Boulder, Colorado
    I've been enjoying both of these very much recently. I wasn't even a big fan of Schumann's quartets until hearing this, and the Mozart K 387 on the first CD is just awesome. Highest recommendation for both.

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    Quatuor Akilone: Haydn, Mozart, Schubert. Mirare

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    Schumann: String Quartets Op. 41 Nos. 1 and 3. Quatuor Renoir, Zig-Zag Territoires.
     
  24. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    NYC
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    Now enjoying a first listen to this SACD. Munch's Ravel is more boisterous than other interpretations I have heard. The Debussy is playing now and it is lovely.
     
  25. Jazzicalit

    Jazzicalit In the Tradition

    Location:
    Italy
    Just bought:

    LINO LIVIABELLA - Antigone (1942, Libretto by Emidio Mucci)
    Orchestra e Coro di Milano della Radiotelevisione Italiana / Ottavio Ziino
    (Recording: Milano 1956) (on LP)

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    GEORG FRIEDRICH HANDEL - Messiah
    Gabrieli Consort & Players / Paul McCreesh
    (on Cd)

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