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Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by George P, May 29, 2015.

  1. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    I'm probably setting myself up to be branded a philistine, but I have long thought nothing speaks more loudly of modern composition's bankruptcy than the existence of this academic cottage industry that "completes" little fragments abandoned by the great composers of earlier eras. Schubert has been a particularly fertile ground for this stuff, but Beethoven and Bach also have their share of "reconstructions." With one exception, I have yet to hear one of these things that I found convincing. The exception: Ernst Krenek's completion of the Schubert "Reliquie" sonata. Krenek, however, was himself a significant composer, not merely a habitue of the ivory tower, and Schubert left quite a bit of uncompleted material for the sonata from which Krenek could take his cues. Is it what Schubert would have written, had Schubert finished the thing himself? No, certainly not, and maybe not even all that close. But it works.

    OK, the completion of Puccini's Turandot is probably another--but, again, it wasn't the work of an academic but of a successful composer (and a major conductor; Toscanini had a hand in it, too, if I'm not mistaken) who knew Puccini well and had a good idea of what he had in mind before his death.
     
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  2. Bachtoven

    Bachtoven Forum Resident

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    This is my first exposure to his music--it's very enjoyable. Sort of like Scarlatti but perhaps with a bit more meat on his bones! Excellent playing and sound.

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  3. Bachtoven

    Bachtoven Forum Resident

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    I particularly like Michael Berkeley's Sonata.

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  4. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    If you want to explore Seixas further, harpsichordist Robert Woolley recorded a collection on Amon Ra CD-SAR 43.
     
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  5. Bachtoven

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    Thank you for the recommendation. I'm listening to it on Tidal and like it very much.
     
  6. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Gladly, and glad you're enjoying! Hmm...maybe I should go and play a few cuts from it myself.
     
  7. George P

    George P Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Haven't heard this in a long time, as I own a ton of Satie by other pianists and this one always rubs me the wrong way when I put it on. Today I perservered and ended up enjoying it more than ever. It made me think about something. Should Satie sound more like Debussy or like Poulenc? I find many pianists play him more like Debussy, while Barbier plays him more like Poulenc, more playful, less dreamy.
     
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  8. Marzz

    Marzz Forum Resident

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    Villa-Lobos - Choros 11 (Neschling - Sao Paulo SO, Cristina Ortiz) (BIS)

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  9. Daedalus

    Daedalus I haven't heard it all.....

    Your post got me thinking of a related area of composition: composers who write a new piece of music which contains quotes or sections of a previous composers work mixed into the piece-I am thinking of Takemitsu and Schnitke specifically but I am sure our knowledgeable group of forum members can think of others. I have enjoyed the work of those composers.
     
  10. Åke Bergvall

    Åke Bergvall Forum Resident

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    Shostakovich' symphony no. 15 is another obvious example (probably influencing Schnitke), and then of course Bartok poking fun at Shostakovich in his Concerto for Orchestra. Stravinsky's use of Schubert in his Circus Polka is another (is this a Russian or East European thing?).
     
  11. George P

    George P Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Been listening to this set this week. These are amazingly vibrant, powerful performances in great sound.
     
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  12. Marzz

    Marzz Forum Resident

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    Hindemith - Mathis der Maler / Symphonic Metamorphsis / Trauermusik (Blomstedt & San Francisco Symphony).

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  13. Marzz

    Marzz Forum Resident

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    Hindemith - Ludus Tonalis (Kabi Laretei) (Phillips / Eloquence).

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  14. Marzz

    Marzz Forum Resident

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    NP: from the Quartetto Italiano Box Set,

    Boccherini Op.6, no.1, (CD18),

    then, Beethoven, Op.59, no.1 (CD22)

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  15. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Of late, I've been doing a lot more organizing than listening, but within the last day or two I did play for the first time a recently-acquired Edison Blue Amberol (Concert Series) cylinder, no. 28168, the Hoffmann Quartet playing (according to the box lid) the Andante Cantabile from Tchakowsky's Quartet, op. 11 or (according to the lettering on the cylinder itself) "Andante--Quartette E Flat Major." Uncertain what to make of that, I put it on my Edison Standard phonograph to give it a first audition.

    Didn't sound like any Tchaikowsky *I* know!

    A bit of further digging revealed that it is neither by Tchaikowsky nor from a quartette in E-Flat Major. Rather, it's...drumroll, please...the second mvt., Andante, from Quartet no. 2 by Karl Ditters von Dittersdorf!

    Somewhere, somebody in the Edison establishment seems to have gotten a bit confused...
     
  16. crispi

    crispi Vinyl Archaeologist

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    Haha. That’s funny.

    A lot of weird stuff going on in the old days, when you would sometimes just get titles like “Adagio” :unhunh: They were still figuring stuff out.
     
  17. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

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    Call 'em up and complain.

    ;)
     
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  18. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    I'll just send a telegram. :)
     
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  19. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

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    ...and if you get a reply, please post here.
     
  20. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    I heard back. It reads

    ALL IS KNOWN STOP FLY AT ONCE STOP

    Which reminds me, something has been nagging at me for some time now. One of the big name Soviet composers wrote a vocal work commemorating the Russian Revolution in which the chorus, I think it is, sings of how "We must take the telephone exchanges." Anybody remember which work that is?
     
  21. Bachtoven

    Bachtoven Forum Resident

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    It's so nice to have my favorite set back on LP. I've enjoyed No.3 and 5 so far. It's hard to believe they were recorded back in the 1960s.

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  22. Bachtoven

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    A commanding performance of all six Guitar Sonatas. (No 6 was originally written for the
    archlute.)
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  23. Marzz

    Marzz Forum Resident

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    Thanks for posting, you've pushed me to get this. I do have Gallens discs on Naxos :thumbsup: There's also a Leo Brouwer CD on Naxos performed by Ricardo Cobo that I still haven't heard (or even sampled). Have you heard it, any opinions?
     
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  24. Bachtoven

    Bachtoven Forum Resident

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    You're welcome. Is that Brouwer Vol.1? if so, then no, I haven't. I'm not a fan of his Etudes. Cobo is a fantastic player, though, so he should play everything well.
     
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  25. Bachtoven

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