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  1. Robert Godridge

    Robert Godridge Forum Resident

    I found it very interesting that for the pristine issue of the Schnabel beethoven piano sonatas, Obert-Thorn chose to use the emi lp box set rather than the hmv 78s. I have all those sonata society sets as original issues and always thought they were among the most noisy of all the hmv 78s I've had, the only way they can be enjoyed, by me at least, is with an acoustic soundbox on my home-made large horn machine (based on the EMG machines of the 30s) with bcn/fibre needles, all modern stylie make them sound like a bonfire!
     
  2. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    He had already done that entire set using 78s for Naxos Historical. Maybe he wanted to try something different? By the way, I have the entire set and find it to be my favorite transfer of this material.

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  3. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    No revisiting this two CD set. Not my top choice for this repertoire, but his playing sure can be dazzling. There is some clicking on the recording, sounds like fingernails, similar to what I have heard in some of Arrau's recordings.
     
  4. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    A sampling of Nathan Milstein from Biddulph's sampler
    10 Great Violinists of the Twentieth Century
    Disc 6
    The notes are not always good. They forgot to list 7 of the short pieces on Milstein's disc. I list them all below. The short pieces seem to be from the middle to late 1930's.
    I enjoyed the short pieces more than the Bruch Violin Concerto No. 1 from 1942, New York Philharmonic, John Barbirolli conducting.
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    CD 6: Nathan Milstein [77:22]
    Max BRUCH
    Concerto no. 1 in G Minor, op. 26
    Philharmonic-Symphony of New York
    John Barbirolli (conductor)
    Frédéric CHOPIN
    Nocturne in C-sharp Minor, op. post. (arr. Milstein)
    Franz LISZT
    Consolation no. 3 in D-flat Major, S. 172 (arr. Milstein)
    Henryk WIENIAWSKI
    Polonaise brillante no. 1 in D Major, op. 4
    Romance, from Concerto no. 2 in D Minor, op. 22
    Karol SZYMANOWSKI
    Tarantella
    Bedrich SMETANA
    Andantino (no. 2 from Aus der Heimat)
    Zoltán KODÁLY
    Il pleut dans la ville, op. 11 no. 3 (arr. Milstein)
    Modest MUSSORGSKY
    The Seamstress (arr. Milstein)
    Peter I. TCHAIKOVSKY
    Scherzo op. 42 no. 3 (arr. Efrem Zimbalist)
    Igor STRAVINSKY
    Berceuse (from The Firebird, arr. Samuel Dushkin)
    Ernest BLOCH
    Nigun (no. 2 from Baal Shem Suite)
    Manuel DE FALLA
    Asturianas (from Siete canciones populares Españolas, arr. Paul Kochanski)
    Ildebrando PIZZETTI
    Affetuoso (no. 1 from Tre Canti)
    Niccolò PAGANINI
    Rondo à la clochette (from Concerto no. 2 in B Minor, op. 7, arr. Kreisler)
    Leopold Mittman (pianist)
     
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  5. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    That looks nice, Dale. Got a link to that box set? I did an amazon search and came up with nothing.
     
  6. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    https://www.amazon.com/10-Great-Vio...reat+violinists&qid=1598499130&s=music&sr=1-1

    George, it is a hodge-podge of a set. Many of the works are short pieces and encores or not things usually considered for that artist.
    You might want to see the Music-Web review for more details about this.
    Ten Great Violinists of the Twentieth Century BIDDULPH LAB 8101 [RMas] Classical Music Reviews: October 2019 - MusicWeb-International
     
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  7. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    Will do, thanks a lot for the info, Dale! Have a great night! :wave:
     
  8. Robert Godridge

    Robert Godridge Forum Resident

    Has there ever been any kind of a complete Milstein set? I have some 78s and some lps but I do very much like him.

    And, on the topic of Max Bruch, If you like what you hear with his g min concerto no 1, the rest of his music is well worth getting. I have the thea king clarinet in concert on lp and cd and it gets played regularly, the lp especially!
    Bruch*, Mendelssohn*, Crusell*, Thea King, Georgina Dobrée, Nobuko Imai, The London Symphony Orchestra, Alun Francis - The Clarinet In Concert (Concerto For Clarinet And Viola,Op.88 / Two Concert Pieces For Clarinet And Basset Horn,Op.113/114 / Introduction And Variations On A Swedish Air,Op.12)
    a great hyperion record.
    Also worth finding is te philips duo set of Accardo playing his concertos and the scotish fantasy played by the Gewandhausorchester Leipzig with Masur, all that on 2 cds! I also have a Dynamic label lp of his quartets.
    Max Bruch, Cvartetul Academica - Quartetti Per Archi N.1-2

    My wife who isn't a great lover of classical music said a while back that every time I play anything involving Bruch she thinks he is hugely underrated.
     
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  9. Daedalus

    Daedalus I haven't heard it all.....

    For sound quality and pressing quality you can’t beat Decca, Telefunken , Teldec, Philips, EMI, EMI/Angel, Supraphon, Eurodisc and DG. For quality of artists and performance you will find many of the greats on those labels. Additionally, for Russian performers and repertoire you will want to collect Melodiya. Some will diss the label’s recording and/or sound quality but I have generally found them to be good to excellent.
     
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  10. Robert Godridge

    Robert Godridge Forum Resident

    Let's not forget Lyrita, Chandos, Hyperion (they started with lps) and don't just automaticly decide that classics for pleasure are bad, it's a good way of getting some of the expencive columbia sax issues very cheaply indeed and some of their own recordings are excellent. Also some of the later emi greensleeves are incredible recordings.
    I wish I'd had your experience regarding Melodiya, most of mine are very noisy and I have a lot of them! also uk pressed turnabout are a different and much less noisy beast than the American issues.
     
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  11. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    Not sure if it was complete, but there was a DG/EMI set, but it appears to be out of print:

    https://www.amazon.com/Great-Emi-37CD-Box-Set/dp/B01MTL9QGG
     
  12. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Without having made a systematic study of them, I have the impression the East German Eterna LPs are probably the best (from a technical standpoint) emanating from the old Communist Bloc; at least some, in particular the Beethoven recordings by Kurt Masur and the Gewandhaus Or., were actually co-productions with Philips. Surfaces can be noisy, though. I'd probably give the Czech Supraphon a close second. Note that a good bit of Supraphon material got US release on the Crossroads label (I think it was a Columbia sublabel) and also received US release on Artia. Angel had a series derived from Melodiya, and any number of little US classical labels tried and failed to camp out on the Melodiya catalogue under license over the years (Colosseum is one example--in a bit of irony, the logo was a depiction of the Roman Colosseum's ruins with the inscription "Only Great Art Survives"; the label didn't).

    Some other Eastern European labels of which to be aware include Hungaroton (Hungary), Balkanton (Bulgaria), Muza (Poland), and Electrecord (Romania). George Georgescu's Beethoven symphony cycle on the last named is well worth having if you can find it; in my experience, the most readily available issue on LP is a box set on a German (budget, I think) label called Lingen Koln, catalogue no. 1124, and it has seen issue on CD (Electrecord-Tobu ERT 1004-2). My copy of the Lingen Koln set, the sole representative of that label in my collection, has one defective record, suggesting pressing quality there may have been questionable, but aside from the account of Sym. no. 1, I liked the cycle enough to chase out the CD reissue. I don't know if that's still in print; it wasn't easy to find even when first released.

    Coming back round to the original question giving rise to this discussion, I wouldn't say any of the labels from behind the old Iron Curtain consistently rise to the level of technical (pressing, recording, etc.) quality achieved by London/Decca, Philips, or the like, and the artists' names more often than not are relatively unfamiliar (and even unpronounceable) to Western listeners, but some real artistic treasures lurk in their catalogues.

    [edit] Worth noting for the French horn devotees among us: in the Georgescu Beethoven cycle, a particularly pronounced Eastern European horn sound is on display.
     
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  13. Daedalus

    Daedalus I haven't heard it all.....

    My noisy Melodiya are generally because they were “well” used except for a couple of late era vinyl which were bad. But 60’s, 70’s were pretty good in my experience. I have some of their new( last 2-4 years) reissues and new issues and they are quiet and well made/recorded.
     
  14. Daedalus

    Daedalus I haven't heard it all.....

    Yes Muza( Polskie Nagrana) are generally pretty good also.
     
  15. MikaelaArsenault

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  16. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    All this talk about Melodiya inspired me to pull out my Richter - The 100th Anniversary Edition 50CD box set. The first time through I listened from disc one to fifty. This time I think I'll listen in reverse order.

    First up, a Prokofiev CD compiling two Recitals from 1979.
     
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  17. Robert Godridge

    Robert Godridge Forum Resident

    the EMI ASD Melodiyas are really good! great pressings and recordings. I also have some Svetlanov violin music on melodiya which thankfully got a very quiet pressing, most of the rest art very noisy and Muza may even be worse!
     
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  18. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    I just ordered this new 3CD set from amazon. It will arrive on Wednesday, my birthday. I have heard good things about this pianist, a student of Cortot, whom I adore, but never heard her. Transfers are by Ward Marston.
     
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  19. Daedalus

    Daedalus I haven't heard it all.....

    This morning I am listening to my Sibelius symphony set-all conducted by Rozhdestvensky. A Melodiya LP box set. This picture is from net -but it is the identical version which I have. Quiet surfaces and nice recording.[​IMG]
     
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  20. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    Now enjoying the Pastoral symphony from the above box set.
     
  21. Robert Godridge

    Robert Godridge Forum Resident

    Wolfgang Boettcher, Ursula Trede-Boettcher - Cellomusik um Mozart
    Listening to this delightful lp rite now from a brother and sister duo. the Shure V15 (iii) and technics 1210GR seem ideal for clean chamber music records somehow. This is very well recorded. I've long prefered in some ways mid 70s to mid 80s classical records to their earlier, more expencive stereo issues, though early monos are still my favorites.
     
  22. Robert Godridge

    Robert Godridge Forum Resident

    Tor Aulin, Kurt Atterberg, Kungliga Hovkapellet, Eri Klas - Musik På Dramaten
    What is it with late romantic Swedish composers really impressing me? I've yet to find something I haven't enjoyed on this label and having recently fallen under the Stenhammar spell I can highly recommend this release to my fellow fans of his music. The recorded sound is excellent, as it should be in 1988, and the shure v15 (iii) is singing like abird. Another from the amazing collection I got over a year ago now and am still finding treasure in.
     
  23. sberger

    sberger Grumpy(but grateful) geezer

    Haven't played this one in awhile. Great sound.

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  24. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    Now enjoying this newly released 3CD set. This pianist was a student of Cortot. Transfers are by Ward Marston.
     
  25. peerless1

    peerless1 Active Member

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    Some of the artwork should be collectible!
     
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