Close To The Edge (the track)

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  1. dunkoid

    dunkoid Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    This is an often lauded track, being purported as one of the greatest in prog rock.
    I don't get it. At. All.
    There are parts that are undeniably great (organ section), some pretty good/ok, and some unlistenable (first 3 minutes).
    Discuss
     
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  2. formbypc

    formbypc Forum Resident

    This.

    I don't like Paul McCartney, so I don't listen to him.
     
  3. Jamsterdammer

    Jamsterdammer The Great CD in the Sky

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    Tastes differ of course. What you call the unlistenable first three minutes are a highlight for me and I think the organ section is the weakest part to my ears. And this is probably because you and me enjoy this track very differently. No problem, plenty of other stuff one can listen to. By the way, what do you think is the greatest prog rock track?
     
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  4. juss100

    juss100 Forum Resident

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    If you find the first three minutes of this unlistenable, then you don't love birds.
     
  5. Zardok

    Zardok Forum Resident

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    Fantastic track, perfection. Wouldn't change a single second of it. The epitome of prog rock at its best. The so-called noise is a build up of harmony from sonic chaos which then leads onto the more melodic section where the singing begins.

    Not all music is for everyone. I am bemused on this forum by the (for me) unwarranted attention given to humdrum early songs by, say, The Beatles and the serious discussion attached to clearly drug-inspired gibberish. But maybe I'm not getting those.
     
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  6. Tuneman63

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    If William Shatner covered it, that would make it it unlistenable.
     
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  7. Not my concern whether you enjoy the track, or not. I always loved it myself.
     
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  8. PhoffiFozz

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    I personally think when all the music kicks in (after the sound effects fading in) that it is some of the absolute most exciting rock music I've ever heard in my life. And then when it finally gets to the verse, it remains completely exciting, less chaotic, but still tense. Finally, it gives to a beautiful melody. And then there's the great harmonies on "I Get Up, I Get Down". - I'm not sure what's not to love or what's not to get, but people are definitely entitled to not like it. I felt this way from the first moment I heard this music 30+ years ago and I still feel that way now.
     
  9. SurrealCereal

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    I think it’s fantastic from start to finish. The opening section throws me right into it with a great groove, propulsive energy, and some cool embellishments. I love the smooth transition into the “Total Mass Retain” section, which I think does a good job of breaking down into a slower groove without losing any momentum. The slower middle section is a gorgeous build from restrained to massive, both on the organ and the vocals. The final section is as brilliant a climax as I’ve ever heard in a prog song. The whole thing fits together really well despite some sudden transitions. I think it’s the most effective prog rock appropriation of classical music structure.
     
  10. trickness

    trickness Gotta painful yellow headache

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    Hard disagree. CTTE is the high water mark of their prog meanderings, everything they ever did in this vein afterwards was less than. Having Bruford on the track certainly helped. Flows as one piece and makes sense, unlike the trying-too-hard riff salads that are TFTO and Relayer
     
  11. juss100

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    I need to contact Shatner's agent, right now! This is inspired.
     
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  12. Jimbino

    Jimbino Goad Kicker, Music Lover

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    I had a first time getting into "CTTE" too, but I really opened to it after a few tries. Now it's "freckling" essential.
     
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  13. Zardok

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    I would love to hear him do a version of it and Starship Troopers whilst he is about it.
     
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  14. juss100

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    A duet of Roundabout with Jack Black.
     
  15. Vaughan

    Vaughan Forum Resident

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    Taste is relative. To be of a whole lot of help we'd need to know what you do like. For example, what other Yes do you enjoy? How many times have you listened to it? What medium are you using? It all factors in. For example, I've owned CTTE on original Vinyl, four times on CD, and now on Blu-Ray. I have an interest in avant garde Jazz, so a noisy start isn't anything particularly new, intimidating, or difficult. Remember, this is a huge piece, what is it, 20 minutes long? There are various movements, and it takes its time to paint it's aural picture. I'd suggest that if you're coming to it new, it might take some considerable time to truly get the hang of it, but that will depend on what else you listen to. Do you listen to any other Prog? What's your favorite?

    And yeah, as others have said, maybe it's just not for you? You single out this track, what do you make of the rest of the album?
     
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  16. ARL

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    I loved it first time I heard it in 2001 and I had no previous interest in prog or jazz.
     
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  17. Harry Hood

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    I'm with the OP, 100%. I nearly posted something along the same lines one time.

    I love Going For The One so much I've bought it about 8 times. I really like the Yes Album to GFTO "peak period", even including a side of Topographic Oceans (1 or 4, can't remember which).

    I love side 2 of Close To The Edge.

    I've got all the expected favourites on my ipod comp. But the track Close To The Edge didn't make it.

    I've tried to like it many times over the years, but I just can't find anything special about it.

    Awaken? The Gates Of Delirium? Absolutely. Echoes? Supper's Ready? Of course.

    But Close To The Edge? I don't get it.
     
  18. ed carter

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    I get chills just thinking about it. One of the great pieces of music, let alone prog or rock, ever. A masterpiece from start to finish.
     
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  20. juss100

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    I think it would help - either the conversation or yourself - if you attempted to elucidate what it is you don't like about Close to the Edge. Why that song doesn't work for you although other Yes tracks do. Not so much Relayer or GFTO but there's a fairly noticeable progression from The Yes Album through to Close to the Edge (both sides) and it seems odd that track in particular you wouldn't get if you got the others. Do you find the playing poor? The structure of the song nonsensical? That it lacks rhythm or melody? there's not enough variation in tone or very good colouring in instrumentation or something otherwise offputting about the way it's played? Bruford's drumming too off kilter or Howe's/Squire's guitar not pleasantly in synch with it? Do you find it particularly lyrically obtuse? Do you feel it moves forward as a song too slowly, or perhaps too quickly?

    I've heard this song so many times now I'm struggling to imagine where one would actually criticise it or what one wouldn't enjoy about it if one likes prog. I don't know what one "wouldn't get" exactly.
     
  21. CliffL

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    I bought this album in late 1972 when I was in high school...the title track was stunning to me then and still is incredibly impressive today. I remember thinking "This is sort of like complexity for complexity's sake"...the musicianship was jaw-dropping. I already had the two previous Yes LPs and "Close To The Edge" was like the jewel in their musical crown.
     
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  22. old school

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    It’s a progressive epic, I don’t think I can say anymore then has been said about it. The Bass part is really awesome how it goes against the grain. Top shelf music.
     
  23. atcrowe1

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    For me, the rhythm section work alone is mind blowing.
     
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  24. lucan_g

    lucan_g Forum Resident

    The first three minutes are making a statement and getting down to business.

    I’d stay away from the Gates of Delirium if I were you...
     
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