Cream - Goodbye Tour Box

Happened to me earlier too! Check @marc roberty 's posts for the lowdown (the answer to your question is "No"! )

 

Thanks, late to thread but I only brought it up after just now reading the first 6 pages today before seeing it mentioned.

 

Some truth there certainly in terms of the united thrust and consistency however there are brilliant cuts in latter 1968 also.
But you should also checkout Clapton's playing from arriving in the US circa Aug or Sept 67' through to The Back Bay Theatre in Boston around April 68'.

 

I largely agree but for some random cuts and plenty of the March 68' material.

 

Listening comprehension more crucial!

 

I have always thought it was simply to get a better recorded sound?

 

There’s far less cymbal spillage in the “rough” mixes.

 

Cymbal spillage?

 

Well Winterland unlike Detroit does not have the endless guitar sustain or levels of distortion, to me the change here is likely a significant reason Clapton plays differently with this set up.

 

To be politically correct I will say yes but until recordings are officially released I will search high and low!

 

The answer my friend is blowing In The West, the answer is blowing In The West!

 

When Ginger hits the cymbals hard, the image of those cymbals moves somewhat, probably because it’s being picked up by other microphones. For whatever reason, the rough mixes don’t exhibit this.

 

I like this the sound of this recording of Grande Ballroom, Detroit, Michigan, USA - October 15, 1967 better than the other one.

 

Excellent post all around as it touches on many important factors!

 

I think I'm hearing what you're talking about with Deserted Cities Of The Heart in the solo, where some crashes oddly pop out the left. I don't think that has anything to do with spillage, however. The only track mixed left is the bass track, and there wouldn't be any appreciable drum leakage into that mic. And it seems likely the drums were only recorded on two tracks (2 for the vocals, 2 for the bass and guitar, 2 for stereo drums, and 2 for stereo audience); as the stereo image of the drums is a bit different on Live Cream II, my feeling is they employed some "creative" mixing techniques, which ended up producing that as a side-effect.

The Live Cream II mixes, for better or worse, are definitely more "produced" sounding. The Halverson rough mixes have better fidelity, but they are much closer to "faders up" mix.

 

Abso bleedin' lutely!
They're Going Wrong!

 

Motorcycle sounds?
Sounds like a motorpsycho nightmare!

 

Yes this beats out the more recent London Calling boot & reportedly Creamer also!

 

Iam looking forward to (hopefully) a further upgrade on the Clapton tour de force that was first birthed on Goodbye Cream.

 

Just for information, "We're Going Wrong" from Winterland 10 March 1968, was on Wolfgang's Vault.

 

Thanks, this happens to be my favorite era for Clapton as I love his Gibson (be it Les Paul, SG, or Firebird) plus Marshall tone

 

Apologies as I did mean to say: Sitting On Top Of The World!

 

What are people listening to in anticipation of this set? I listened to the first Live Cream (since that’s all Winterland and has long been one of my favorites for the extended jams) and Eric Clapton’s Rainbow Concert, which I had never listened to before but mostly enjoyed. February 7th can’t come soon enough!

 

I was thinking the very same thing last night. Fancy pulling out my Live Cream and vol.2 vinyl for a spin.

 

My favorite track is NSU from Live Cream ( vol 1)