Creedence "Lodi" stereo question for the experts

THat would make sense and make Him The Kubrick of Rock and Roll.

Those quad mixes sound interesting but I'm torn on a purchase. Should I buy the Vinyl of Willie and the Poorboys or the SACD? I know that the SACD is a hybrid but I really don't know if I'll be listening to this in the car or at home more. for those of you who have both, what sounds nicer?

 

They sound basically the same. Even the AA SACD sounds real close to the older DCC LP.

 

Yeah, but most of the CCR single releases were issued on Lp in conventional stereo. The big question has always been, why narrowly mix "Proud Mary," "Bad Moon," "Lodi" and "Hitch-Hiker" and not the others?
It seems to have been very selective.


ED

 

Steve,

I do remember that the 45 to "Sweet Hitchhiker" was cut very hot!

Bob

 

"The Kubrick of Rock and Roll" -- I like that designation. It follows that one could call these peculiar mixes "Ears Shut to Wide Stereo" or "Narrow Metal Jacket"

 

Why is this frustrating thread back? Are you finally giving us Creedence Gold in quad?

 

I can only presume "Lodi" was recorded right before "Bad Moon Rising" as the former has a lower matrix number than the latter - irrespective of the latter being designated the "A" side by Fantasy in preparation for single release as #622. I had read somewhere those two songs were the last recorded by CCR at RCA's "Music Center of the World" studios in Hollywood (before switching to Heider and other studios), ergo would have had X3KM prefix numbers (presumably within the 8000 block) alongside the F-27## numbers assigned by Fantasy.

 

On release, Lodi was the A side. Like many other CCR 45s, DJs flipped it, and the B side became the hit. I bought it off of Lodi. Radio wasn't playing Bad Moon Rising as of yet.

 

I am of the opinion that "Proud Mary" sounds the best it's ever sounded in the mix found on Credence Gold - CD-4 Quadraphonic LP FPM 4001. Played back in stereo on a normal system reveals more thump to the drums, tighter bass, a bit more air around the cymbals, and a very slightly wider stereo image.

Other songs also sound different and in some cases (to me) better, but "Proud Mary" is the real standout, and it's first song on the side, so it has a fidelity advantage.

Creedence Clearwater Revival ‎– Creedence Gold
Fantasy/Prestige/Milestone QuadraDisc ‎– FPM-4001
1975

A1 Proud Mary 3:07
A2 Down On The Corner 2:43
A3 Bad Moon Rising 2:17
A4 I Heard It Through The Grapevine 11:05
B1 The Midnight Special 4:10
B2 Have You Ever Seen The Rain? 2:39
B3 Born On The Bayou 5:10
B4 Suzie Q 8:34

Mastered At – JVC Cutting Center

No "Lodi" found on this LP.

 

Yes. Of the 3 "stereo mixed like mono" CCR tracks, Lodi is the one never released in quad.

 

I also don't understand Steve's comment on the quad mix being "anemic". If anything on that LP sounds anemic, it's the earlier Susie Q. Bad Moon and Proud Mary sound great finally properly separated.
Wish that Run Through The Jungle and Looking Out My Back Door got the quad treatment.

 

After I commented on Proud Mary I went and put it on for. Fresh listen and it sounded so good I left it in and played the entire thing straight through. The whole thing is amazing and more 3D sounding of course, I never thought anemic or thin sounding at all. Oh well we all hear things our own way to some degree. Oh and vocal clarity is quite good, you hear that loud and upfront.

 

And the impression I have had for many years was. Mixed to fold down well for AM airplay. Stereo, but mono compatible. I have quite a few of the Fantasy 45 RPM singles from my youth, they are fold downs, but reasonably good sounding ones.

 

It is cut very hot, Bob. A bit of a beast to track without breakup.

 

Some

Wherever that tape is located here in 2019, someone should ship it (insured of course) directly to Michael Dutton at Dutton-Vocalion. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

 

As long as long as it got backed up to 24/96kHz or better yet 24/192kHz then that’s great because the original might be buried deep in “Miller’s Cave” at the Iron Mountain location.

Great work as usual Steve.

 

I hear you Steve. Like I posted way back in 2003 in this thread, they are not great quad mixes, but it would be nice to have them in a modern format for posterity.

Interestingly enough, Concord mixed "Have You Ever Seen the Rain" in 5.1 for a Mercedes Benz demo DVD for their car systems in 2012, and as I recall it is a different mix than the original Creedence Gold. Again, it's no quad/surround spectacular by any means

 

Rock Band got the masters to many Creedence songs, and you can hear a more separated stereo mix, since they went back to the multitracks for the game. Pretty narrow still, but wider than the original mixes.

Lodi:

Bad Moon Rising: Creedence Clearwater Revival - Bad Moon Rising - Rock Band 2 DLC Expert Full Band (July 6th, 2010)
Proud Mary: Creedence Clearwater Revival - Proud Mary - Rock Band 2 DLC Expert Full Band (July 6th, 2010)