dating my Ella & Louis pressing...

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  1. tweed_champ

    tweed_champ Active Member Thread Starter

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    One of my very favourite albums. I've never been able to figure out the date on it though, is it a second/later pressing? I could never figure out if this red/gold label was before the black/silver label. My label is the same as this one:
    ella-and-louis.jpg

    Mono, MG V-4003.
    Deadwax:
    50078 MGV 4003-A
    50079 MGV 4003B
     
  2. Amnesiac

    Amnesiac Forum Resident

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  3. AaronW

    AaronW Formerly Blackie

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    That's incorrect, the red/orange label with yellow "T" is the first pressing. Machine stamped matrix right? If you can find one in good shape it is much better sounding that the later black label with hand-etched matrices.
     
  4. Amnesiac

    Amnesiac Forum Resident

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    Does your copy say "MGM Records - A Division of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Inc" on the bottom perimeter of the label?
     
  5. Supafly

    Supafly Forum Resident

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    My black label looks dead mint and plays terrible.
     
  6. AaronW

    AaronW Formerly Blackie

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    I'll check the rim print when I get home.
     
  7. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Mastering Engineer Your Host

    That's a FIRST printing. If you have machine numbers it was cut at Radio Recorders. If you have hand written numbers it was mastered at Ami Handni Mastering on Yucca. How does it sound? Might sound OK but ya never know.
     
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  8. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

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    It LOOKS like a reissue. I have an original with the deep groove on the label. Is that what you have?
     
  9. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Mastering Engineer Your Host

    They reissued it with that label? Didn't know that. For the audiophile market? Well, can't tell from the pic. If so, all bets are off!
     
  10. serge

    serge Well-Known Member

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    looks like a first pressing to me...
     
  11. Singularity

    Singularity Forum Resident

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    I have a yellow/orange deep groove as well.


    40003A
    Side A: 500 78 MGV XXXX (letters and or #'s crossed out)
    4003B
    Side B: 500 78 MGV 2 02 XB (letters and/or #'s crossed out)


    Also has an "A" and another letter I can't make out on side A and what looks like an L on side B. Have to dig out the magnifying glass to get a better look. Anyhow, from everything I've read the yellow/orange "Deep Groove" is the 1st pressing. Also the cover has a white border that surrounds the the artwork on 3 sides. Don't know if they reissued it that way again.
     
  12. Singularity

    Singularity Forum Resident

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    I should also mention mine sounds really good. Very close to the sound quality of the new Analog Productions 45 rpm Verve pressing.
     
  13. AaronW

    AaronW Formerly Blackie

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    Nope, this label (the first Ella & Louis pressing) was gone by the time MGM bought Verve:
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  14. AaronW

    AaronW Formerly Blackie

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    This French Barclay issue was pressed from original US Verve parts and sounds great, interesting to note the photo used was shot right before or after the standard Verve image:
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    Verve for comparison:
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  15. tweed_champ

    tweed_champ Active Member Thread Starter

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    That's the one! Machine stamped as well, with some numbers crossed out under the "4000" on the deadwax. It sounds great - minimal clicks & pops, and after I flipped the mono switch on my amp it (mostly) played nice and quiet.
    Thanks for the help everybody! This made my night. My favourite jazz album, and I had an original pressing without realizing it. Time to play it again :D
     
  16. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Mastering Engineer Your Host

    Well good. Glad you're happy. Machine numbers on an old Verve LP are good. It means the parts were cut from actual masters at Radio Recorders.
     
  17. McLover

    McLover Forum Resident

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    Yellow/Orange was the first Verve label for this LP. Machine Stamped deadwax what you want. Radio Recorders mastering the best of the originals. The Ami Hadani hand lettered is still very good, but cut from a dub tape.
     
  18. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Mastering Engineer Your Host

    No, Ami Hadani masterings are from original tapes, not dubs.
     
  19. McLover

    McLover Forum Resident

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    Thanks for the clarification, Steve. Ami Hadani is one of my favorite mastering engineers in the day.
     
  20. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Mastering Engineer Your Host

    He actually worked at Radio Recorders before starting his own mastering studio up the street, then he founded TTG with his friend from RR..

    Wasn't he a general in the Israeli air force as well?

    Something of a mystery about the guy.
     
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