David Bowie A New Career In A New Town 1977 1982 Boxset 3

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  1. Funny that the response from Parlophone reminds me of the response from Experience Hendrix to an audiophile who criticized them for compressing the Jimi Hendrix catalogue. Their answer was to deny that it was compressed at all. :eek: Most people (the cash cow) don't care, sadly. I care. There is no loss of energy in the Ryko CD of Heroes. The answer smacks of laziness in mastering (preserving the integrity of the master tape - yeah, right). Do what SH had to do when mastering Aqualung all those years ago - that's what Ray Staff and Tony Visconti should have done.
     
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  2. Ben Adams

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    Fingers crossed at my end.
     
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  3. antonkk

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    I was horrified at the level of compression and bass overload on The Man who Sold the World reissue so I stayed away from the second set. Looks like the third one suffers from the same "added bass" problem so I'd rather spend my money on original pressings.
     
  4. imarcq

    imarcq Men are from Mars, I'm from Bromley...

    Amazon UK are now selling vinyl boxes of this set as a direct import from USA by default via Amazon Global Store. I wonder what is going on now? Do they think the US boxes are going to be different? Or did they just run out of UK boxes. Very odd...
     
  5. yarbles

    yarbles Too sick to pray

    Clearly a case of NSS (Neurotic Sheep Syndrome).
     
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  6. jon9091

    jon9091 Master Of Reality

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    Smart move. I’ve already resigned myself to the fact that I’m really saving these box sets for my daughter (now 11 years old). I’ll keep the originals ;)
     
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  7. Colocally

    Colocally One Of The New Wave Boys

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    Why? Was she naughty?
     
  8. Ben Adams

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    Dude. That's the way TMWSTW is supposed to sound. It really is.
     
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  9. jon9091

    jon9091 Master Of Reality

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    :laugh:
     
  10. antonkk

    antonkk Senior Member

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    On my (incredible) system with the huge 18 inch woofers it's unlistenable.
     
  11. Ben Adams

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    <shrug> Can't help ya. But it's not boosted. That's how it was mixed and mastered. If anything some CD editions dialed the bass back.
     
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  12. Before I retuned my CD box I played LOW on my nice home stereo and then on my Computer through a pair of Audio Engine 2 speakers. It sounded like crap on my good rig but good (it's all relative) thought my computer rig. My guess is that most buyers are playing these CD sets through systems like that of my computer. Its all loud and sort of works in a way.
     
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  13. jon9091

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    Someone has now gone through and pasted Parlophone’s response to every negative review on Amazon.
     
  14. sammy davis junior

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    the more i look at that comment "high-frequency automation (in the region of +- 6dB)" the more it sounds like someone told them - "say there is some high-frequency automation which has caused the 'perceived' problem", then someone asked "how much high-frequency automation?" and they said - "i don't know, . . . say in the region of 6 decibels - plus or minus" and like someone who reads "pause here for applause" on autocue - they've just repeated it parrot fashion.

    the headline on sde should be "PRESIDENT & PUBLICIST ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN THE MASTERING PROCESS TO THE GENERAL PLUBLIC"
     
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  15. DBMethos

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    "Auntie Sabrina"
     
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  16. Auntie Grizelda’s Sister. :tiphat:
     
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  17. cmcintyre

    cmcintyre Forum Resident

    That's entirely due to the two things:

    1. Theses sets, with only Young Americans as the exception, copy the UK packaging.
    2. The UK RCA (PL 12030) Low cover is a rescan of the US cover. The UK RCA loses the detail you refer to, maybe not as much as the new sets, but the pinks are lessened, the hair looks less natural and so forth.
    If the Parlophone is a rescan of the UK, then it will be lesser quality - if it's used original art but filtered to look like the UK RCA, then that's what you're seeing. I haven't seen it yet.

    Prior to posting, I've just had a close look at the US, UK, Canadian, Japanese original issues and the German RCA International, US Best Buy and EMI 1991 LP covers. Generally speaking the further they are from the first issue, the lower the reproduction quality, with the 1991 EMI the worst. (The EMI (which is derived from the RYKO release) is a rescan of the US Best Buy edition - the colour of the title and rear cover are very different from the 1977 issues.

    The US cover (CPL1-2030) stands head and shoulders above all others - clarity, colour balance and breadth - it looks natural, yet not - an effect not had on the others.

    BTW - As there's lots of orange on this cover, it's best to keep it out of the light - otherwise it will fade.

    On another level, I find it of interest that the official response to date about the aural concerns about this set has included that there was a desire to retain the original masters' integrity - I wonder why this also didn't apply to the covers.
     
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  18. rihajarvi

    rihajarvi Forum Resident

    speaking of covers—they could've also provided fans with some hi-res artwork for all the individual albums included. y'know, for those of us who keep a meticulously organized itunes library. throw us a couple of jpegs, parlo!
     
  19. aphexj

    aphexj Sound mind & body

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    RCA lost the 'master' elements for those covers long ago
     
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  20. 93curr

    93curr Senior Member

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    Sure. After all, the album was mixed by the bass player. Some guy called Tony, I think. That's never a good idea.
     
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  21. Ben Adams

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    Hahahaha! But we can at least say that's where this pattern of his started!
     
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  22. Marc 74

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    Yes,that's true. The original German 1970 LP has tons of bass (especially The Width Of A Circle).
     
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  24. cmcintyre

    cmcintyre Forum Resident

    Perhaps I didn't make the point clearly enough, as you misunderstood what I was referring to : with very few exceptions the original UK RCA issue covers are copied from the US covers, and in each of those cases the UK packaging shows signs of degradation when compared side by side with the US packaging.

    My point was, if it is crucial to retain the integrity of the 2-track masters, why not retain the integrity of the original packaging, be it US or occasional UK, rather than, with only one (correct) exception, copy UK covers?
     
  25. Yeah we know. We've read this here three or four times already. They have a PR person who responded on various websites. Still doesn't change the fact that older version sound better.
     
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