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Degritter Users

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by WntrMute2, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. AArchie

    AArchie Forum Resident

    Location:
    Colorado
    Okay, I searched this thread and r.DIN posted the information June 3, 2020 about the Maintenance message every 60 cycles. It came as part of a software update. That's why it's not in the manual.


    Version 2.2.9v8
    06/03/2020
    Change log
    – CRITICAL fix for stripes of dust on the record
    The water flow dynamics causing the dust stripes have been more complicated that we initially anticipated. The issue fixed by the 2.2.0 version was not the only thing affecting the dust removal. The record revolution direction and movements affect it as well. The software 2.2.9 version improves it by changing the record revolution direction and the way the record moves.

    – Water level adjustments while the record is being washed
    On rare occasions the water level can drift a bit. In order to make it more precise, the machine will automatically adjust it if necessary during the washing cycle. Clicking valves can be heard while the adjustments are being made.

    – Fix for incorrect remaining time
    Occasionally the machine could count down to 0:00 and keep drying fans running for another 10s.

    – Reminder for Filter Change
    Every 50 washing cycles, the machine will now prompt a reminder to clean the water filter.

    – Automatic maintenance program
    After every 60 washing cycles the machine will automatically run a 30s maintenance cycle to clean the valves.

    – Water removal during drying
    On longer drying programs, the machine will check and additionally remove water from the ultrasonic cleaning tank every 2 min.

    – Improved clock accuracy
    The machine will use an external clock source to ensure that the machine’s second length corresponds to universal time.

    – Improved sensor accuracy when emptying ultrasonic tank
    On rare cases the maintenance free water level sensing leaves water at the bottom of the ultrasonic tank. This improvement resolves the issue.
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2021
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  2. terzinator

    terzinator boots lost in transit

    Location:
    Minnesota
    Has anyone here had their Degritter long enough to have to do a software update? Download the file to an SD card, and install it in the machine?

    (Yeah, I'll bet it's in the thread somewhere!)
     
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  3. AArchie

    AArchie Forum Resident

    Location:
    Colorado
    That one is in the manual. I think you need an unused SD card. The Info screen will tell you what your software is and the website will tell you the current version. Mine came up to date.
     
  4. r.Din

    r.Din Seeker of Truth

    Location:
    UK
    Many times... they dropped the revision history though, so you no longer know what's in the upgrade. Which is a little frustrating. I like details :)
     
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  5. r.Din

    r.Din Seeker of Truth

    Location:
    UK
    How do you find the manual process? I'm tempted myself, if only to see what the Kirmuss method offers, if anything, above the Degritter. I suspect nothing, but I'm open to trying.
     
  6. Zurg

    Zurg Well-Known Member

    Location:
    UK
    Clearly you not used degritter, its day and night.
     
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  7. r.Din

    r.Din Seeker of Truth

    Location:
    UK
    Is that based on experience?

    I will find out myself soon - just ordered a Kirmuss to test against the Degritter. Delivery tomorrow. I have some stubborn records that I cannot improve and will be interested to see what, if anything, the Kirmuss can do with them, or indeed unstubborn records. I suspect the Kirmuss will be going onwards to a new home in short order.
     
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  8. 5-String

    5-String μηδὲν ἄγαν

    Location:
    Sunshine State
    I am looking forward to reading your experience with the Kirmuss.
    On paper, I have a lot of reservations concerning Kirmuss' claims but users and Fremer seem to like his machine a lot. I am curious to see what you think and how it compares with Degritter.
     
  9. r.Din

    r.Din Seeker of Truth

    Location:
    UK
    I share your scepticism, but curiosity got the better of me... and it gives me something to do during the current UK lockdown.
     
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  10. terzinator

    terzinator boots lost in transit

    Location:
    Minnesota
    yeah i hear ya.

    Interesting (in a good way) they require serial number to allow download of software update.

    Would be nice to be able to associate serial number with contact info so we'd be alerted to software updates. (Or is there a way to sign up for notifications?)

    (not that it appears these updates happen too frequently. Current update is from July 2020.)
     
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  11. AArchie

    AArchie Forum Resident

    Location:
    Colorado
    You can always email the boys and make suggestions. They seem like they'd be open to it. I like your ideas. I don't want to be constantly checking their website.
     
  12. r.Din

    r.Din Seeker of Truth

    Location:
    UK
    I use Wachete to monitor the update page...

    Wachete - Monitor web changes

    You need to go to the update page with your serial number, and then copy the address into Watchete
     
  13. AArchie

    AArchie Forum Resident

    Location:
    Colorado
    I tried that but I will not make an account with any of those companies. :realmad:
     
  14. terzinator

    terzinator boots lost in transit

    Location:
    Minnesota
    Thank you for doing this on our behalf. :D
     
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  15. JHC3

    JHC3 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Chicago
    I returned my Kirmuss. I plan on purchasing a Degritter this year.
     
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  16. 5-String

    5-String μηδὲν ἄγαν

    Location:
    Sunshine State
    Why, if you don't mind telling? I am just curious.
     
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  17. terzinator

    terzinator boots lost in transit

    Location:
    Minnesota
    emailed the degritter guys.

    You'll get software-update notifications if you sign up for the newsletter.

    (Newsletter link is at very bottom of home page at degritter.com.)
     
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  18. r.Din

    r.Din Seeker of Truth

    Location:
    UK
    First run completed with the Kirmuss.

    I selected an album from a lot purchase (Ringo Star solo), which had never been cleaned. It was pretty grubby. First, ran it through the Degritter on Medium, and then did a clean with the Kirmuss. No comments from me at this point, but I ripped the before, the Degritter and the Kirmuss and offer links to the files below.

    Which do you prefer?

    1. Uncleaned: Sync | Secure cloud storage that protects your privacy
    2. ? Sync | Secure cloud storage that protects your privacy
    3.? Sync | Secure cloud storage that protects your privacy
     
  19. r.Din

    r.Din Seeker of Truth

    Location:
    UK
    Should note that I randomised files 2 & 3 so you don't which is which.
     
  20. pacvr

    pacvr Forum Resident

    Location:
    Maryland
    Couple items to consider:

    The KIRMUSS is a 40kHz unit, while the DEGRITTER is 120kHz. 40kHz is better at removing large debris (the cavitation bubble size is ~75 microns); while the 120-kHz is better is better at removing smaller particles (the cavitation bubble size is ~20 microns).

    So, using the KIRMUSS as the pre-clean and the DEGRITTER as the final clean 'may' give you the best overall performance depending on the record initial condition.

    However, for records that are reasonable clean - the DEGRITTER by itself should provide the best performance.

    So, maybe your 'test program' is set up to prove or disprove the above noting that the KIRMUSS has no filtration (not that a DIY filtration system could not be added).

    Just some thoughts
     
  21. bloodlemons

    bloodlemons Forum Resident

    Location:
    Tacoma, WA, USA
    Either way, most records will be cleaner after a second pass in any machine, no?
     
  22. 5-String

    5-String μηδὲν ἄγαν

    Location:
    Sunshine State
    Thanks for posting the files! I appreciate your effort!

    I listened to all three of them through a Chord Qutest Dac => Darkvoice 336 SE => Sennheiser HD 800.
    I will be honest here and just say that I could not detect any differences between the two files. At certain points, and I played both many times, I thought that Ringo - 1 had softer clicks, but when I went back to play the other file it also sounded very similar.

    If Degritter is doing the best that can be done with cleaning these records, and it seems to me that this is the case, then, cleaning an already cleaned record with Kirmuss a second time won't make much of a difference.

    The question of course remains. Which is the better cleaning system? Degritter wins in terms of practicality and efficiency while Kirmuss has the advantage of the better price. But it is still unclear in my mind which one does a better job.
     
  23. r.Din

    r.Din Seeker of Truth

    Location:
    UK
    I can definitely hear important differences between 1 & 2, but I don't want to influence what people are hearing.
     
  24. r.Din

    r.Din Seeker of Truth

    Location:
    UK
    I need to run both ways, eg Kirmuss first then Degritter, as well, for comparison.

    There's no agenda behind my testing. I'm simply interested in a comparison between the two units to see how they compare.
     
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  25. r.Din

    r.Din Seeker of Truth

    Location:
    UK
    I wanted to see whether the Kirmuss could improve (and therefore better) the Degritter, so the obvious test was to clean on the Degritter first followed by the Kirmuss to see if there were further improvments. I will also do this test the other way around.

    I think I also need to test various surfactants in the Degritter to ensure there isn't any residue issues showing up.
     
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