Did I just get a counterfeit version of the Who Can I Be Now Bowie box set?

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  1. kenbefound

    kenbefound Forum Resident

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    I could be wrong but I don't think you can leave feedback once you've initiated a return. You'd have to leave the feedback first. I guess the return demonstrates cooperation and thus will not allow retaliatory feedback since the seller agreed to accept the item back.
     
  2. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

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    It works that way if you file a claim on ebay. I just sent back two lps from the same seller who requested I submit an item not described claim (it's how he processes returns, it was all very amicable) and once I got my refund they no longer appear on my feed.

    Not sure if it works that way if you return it outside the claim process though.
     
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  3. kwadguy

    kwadguy Senior Member

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    Unless something recently changed this is not correct. The items no longer appear on your purchase free, but they are still in the list of transactions you can leave feedback for. You just have to navigate to the list.
     
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  4. dumaisaudio

    dumaisaudio Forum Resident

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    Any word on counterfeits for the New Career CD Box showing up?
     
  5. footprintsinthesand

    footprintsinthesand Reasons To Be Cheerful Part 1

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    They're nearly there, just figuring out the optimum proof of purchase for buyers. So they'll be successful getting a "Heroes" replacement disc directly from Parlophone :winkgrin:
     
  6. K.K. Bing

    K.K. Bing Well-Known Member

    Thanks to the posts in this thread I'm sure I bought a counterfeit box of Who Can I Be Now from an Austrian seller on auction site Catawiki. The discs were crammed into the box, some sleeves were wrinkled and glued. And the discs are silver colored, not golden. Catawiki partially refunded the costs. I ordered the 'real one' from Amazon. But what to do with the counterfeit one? Just put it in the garbage can or bring it to a thrift store? Wouldn't be fair, even it's a second hand store, I think.....
     
  7. GroovyGuy

    GroovyGuy Forum Resident

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    Perhaps you could give it to someone you know who likes music and hasn't discovered Bowie yet while fully disclosing it's a knock-off. By doing this, you could introduce someone to Bowie, be honest about what the set is, and by sharing your story with someone it could perhaps help them avoid the issue you faced? Hope you enjoy the genuine set once you get it :)
     
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  8. K.K. Bing

    K.K. Bing Well-Known Member

    A late reply, but a very good advice. I gave the box to one of my colleagues, who knew Bowie as a fashion icon, but didn't know much about his albums. He enjoyed the music and discovered much more about the man.
     
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  9. Dennis Metz

    Dennis Metz Born In A Motor City!

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    I got one:cheers:
     
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  10. BowieFan

    BowieFan New Member

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    Oh well the exact SAME this happened to me, I have a perfect Five Years box set and my Who Can I Be Now looked fishy (same problem with the sleeves, some minor details and silver CDs as well) the only problem is I ordered it on Priceminister and I don't even know if I'll be able to get a refund :/
     
  11. pobbard

    pobbard The CD is a pretty good format (ducks)

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    I bought my CD copy of Who Can I Be Now for close to $100 used last year, but noticed later that the CDs were silver, and thus it's definitely a fake. D'oh.

    Something else I noticed today: the spine of the Nassau disc reads LIVE NASSAU COLISEUM '76 - DIAMOND DOGS, where the last two words should be DAVID BOWIE. Guess that's another giveaway. :realmad:
     
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  12. Mikewest

    Mikewest Well-Known Member

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    Exactly the same on mine !
     
  13. Mikewest

    Mikewest Well-Known Member

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    In fact did they manufacture Loving the Alien , as I haven't seen it anywhere, the copies I mean!
     
  14. EISI

    EISI Member

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    how do they sound ?
     
  15. Mikewest

    Mikewest Well-Known Member

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    Excellent!
     
  16. markreed

    markreed Forum Resident

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    Well, my CD boxes came and they were almost definitely the counterfeit ones.

    The general giveaways are :
    - plastic inner sleeves : if they are very thin, crinkly, and crunched up so bulge in the pocket they are likely counterfeit
    - silver discs not gold
    - "Diamond Dogs" on the spine of Nassau 76 and not "David Bowie"
    - slight imperfections and inconsistencies in print quality (tiny patches of not full matt black, occasional patchiness for example)
    - fuzziness on text consistent with Hi-Res scans used as image for print and not typeset text on CD sleeves and the book
    - sloppy packing done in a hurry (i.e. CD in the wrong album, inner sleeves not in their matching album, CD's stuffed in too far in a hurry etc).

    I haven't heard all 40+ discs, but I've only had them three hours. It took me probably an hour in total to check each disc, and repack each inner in the correct album with a sleeve, unbulge the quickly stuffed in CD's, and so on.

    It's probably 99% accurate overall, but the 1% does give it away. Overall, if they are counterfeits, I am OK with that for a number of reasons : the post-death Bowie estate has flooded the market with overpriced/undervalue releases as copyright extensions in exploitative release patterns such as 4 x 7" box sets, absurdly priced acetate replicas, "BowPromo", "BowieNow", "Lets Dance " (Demo 12"), the RSD LP's, picture disc 7"s every quarter, every-colour-vinyl-under-the-sun, "Is" Museum exclusives, irregular live albums (LA 74, Earls Court 78, VH1 99, Glastonbury 2000), and these vastly incomplete box sets with multiple important releases such as "The Gouster" and "Never Let Me Down 2018" only available in £100-£200 box sets. Buying the four sets on vinyl when they came out would have been more than my monthly mortgage payment anyway!

    The products themselves might be good but the price gouging, and the difficulty in getting these releases, has made being a Bowie fan hard, hard work. Also, DB has had enough of my money over the years and doesn't exactly need it these days : this is something like the seventh time I have bought these albums in one form or another since 1983 including the original LP's, Rykodiscs, 1999 remasters, anniversary editions, DVD represses, and so.

    The lack of Rykodisc tracks, bonus tracks from various reissues such as the Ziggy 2003 2CD, and BBC Session recordings on these sets make them mostly incomplete anyway. My main advice is Buyer Beware : if it looks too good to be true, and much cheaper than the normal retail price, there's probably a reason. I was expecting these to be probably counterfeit given the cost, and had done my research, so was not too disappointed.
     
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  17. Well given your takeif the musical content is the same, it shouldn’t matter but be aware that I’ve run into some on the Queen one I purchased and returned had crackle and other digital defects indicating that the source for the digital file was corrupted. Take a listen to the entire set.
     
  18. Dennis Metz

    Dennis Metz Born In A Motor City!

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    Fonthill, Ontario
    It’s a great way to get the content free:cheers:
     
  19. markreed

    markreed Forum Resident

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    It looks as if Ebay are finally cracking down on these : lots of listings have disappeared recently!
     
  20. You can always get them a little cheaper on Alibaba, the Chinese-run equivalent of eBay.
     

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