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Discogs... things are about to change

Discussion in 'Marketplace Discussions' started by Dave, Aug 7, 2020.

  1. soam

    soam Well-Known Member

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    Indianapolis, IN
    We grant You a limited license to access and make personal use of the Service and not to download (other than page caching) or modify it, or any portion of it, except with Our express written consent. This license does not include any resale or commercial use of the Service, including its contents; any collection and use of any product listings, descriptions, or prices; any derivative use of the Service, including its contents; any downloading or copying of account information for the benefit of another merchant; or any use of data mining, robots, or similar data gathering and extraction tools. The Service, including the content therein, may not be reproduced, duplicated, copied, sold, resold, visited, or otherwise exploited for any commercial purpose without Our express written consent.

    Data ownership is a murky topic. My interpretation of their TOS as quoted above is that they are extending a limited right to personal use of the data only, even though it is publicly submitted data. They can do this because you have agreed to the TOS to use the service in order to do anything on Discogs. You could ultimately download the data for personal use only, although the value of that data outside of Discogs online service is negligible. You certainly could not use the data to start a competing business, per se. (Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer!)
     
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  2. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢ Thread Starter

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    Discogs
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  3. Paul W

    Paul W Forum Resident

    Maybe I'm lucky, but I have received exemplary reviews from my customers and have a 100% rating with more than 335 orders and about 500 LPs sold on Discogs. I also will refund a customer for shipping if the difference between the quoted and actual cost is more than a few dollars. I am selling much of my private collection and having nothing to gain by being greedy. All items are shipped insured and I don't mind losing a few bucks on the occasional order if it clears LPs off my shelves, which definitely makes the missus very happy! :)
     
  4. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

    Location:
    City of Angels
    I keep hearing your luck is about to run out being in Canada.

    I've gotten 100% fb as well. But what is odd is I have sold 100 items or so, but only 55 of them resulted in any fb. I may send messages out to some of these people asking if they liked their item and top please leave fb. Or I could just forget about it and move on.

    But I only do not mind losing a buck or two on shipping when the item being purchased is higher priced. I'm fine with shelves being full to the brim. They have been full for ages, what's a few more years. I am not in a hurry to clear the stuff out, yet I am pacing myself to get top prices for that final vinyl sell-off. This is the end of the collecting, obsessing, sharing, hoarding, etc. I'm hitting that age where I know I ain't taking anything with me when I go.
     
  5. no.nine

    no.nine (not his real name)

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    NYC
    You're actually doing pretty well feedback wise. I forget what the actual average percentage is for sellers receiving any feedback (as reported in discogs' seller forums), but it's not even around 50%. It's lower than that.
     
  6. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

    Location:
    City of Angels
    I've gotten some really nice comments on grading, packing, and lightning-fast ship time. Maybe I'd better not ask anyone else for feedback less they decide to say something not so glowing. Someone could say "Fair deal for the price" of simply "OK" which I don't need right now. Better leave it with those nice ones.

    I sold some still sealed stuff from 1968 and '69 that turned out to be pure perfection and definitely not reseals, buyers were thrilled. But VG++ LPs can disappoint when the buyer thinks that grade means NM. Or they think NM means Stone MINT but opened.
     
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  7. Paul W

    Paul W Forum Resident

    Why is that?
     
  8. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

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    City of Angels
    Impossible shipping standards forced upon Canadians by Discogs.
     
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  9. no.nine

    no.nine (not his real name)

    Location:
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    You're correct, but just for the sake of clarification, allow me to tweak your wording.

    I wouldn't say standards so much as 'impossible shipping rate set-up requirements forced upon Canadian sellers'.
     
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  10. Paul W

    Paul W Forum Resident

    I've had no issues setting up standards and prices. I don't use Canada Post for shipments outside Canada, but a third party that mails packages from the U.S. Their rates are about 50% of what is charged by Canada Post.
     
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  11. no.nine

    no.nine (not his real name)

    Location:
    NYC
    I can't answer this from first hand experience, of course, since I don't live in Canada. But I've read many posts on the Discogs forums from Canadian sellers describing it as a nightmare and impossible to set up the way Discogs wants. From my understanding, Canadian postal rates are way too varied according to weight and location to accurately list all permutations, which is what Discogs wants sellers to do.

    I'm sure one of our Canadian members here can chime in with more precise information than I can possibly come up with.
     
  12. monte4

    monte4 Senior Member

    Location:
    Ontario Canada
    Just looking through Discogs and there sure are a lot of greyed out sellers that won't ship to Canada any more. Sad, seems like they're doing their best to ruin it.
     
  13. Paul W

    Paul W Forum Resident

    I don't think that it has anything to do with shipping TO Canada from outside the country, it's the cost of setting up a standard rate for Canadian sellers who want to sell within the country. The cost of shipping from Toronto to Newfoundland is a lot more than shipping from Toronto to Vancouver, yet Discogs requires that a standard rate be the same cost anywhere within the country.
     
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  14. Paul W

    Paul W Forum Resident

    It's not impossible, it's just a matter of realizing that if vendors ship one LP using the "Regular Parcel" rate, for example, Discogs only permits one rate for that category, regardless of where that one LP is being shipped within the country. Similarly, if a customer buys ten LPs, the rate must be the same right across the country. Unfortunately, Canada does not have a Media Mail option, which many of my U.S. customers choose.
     
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  15. Strat-Mangler

    Strat-Mangler Personal Survival Daily Record-Breaker

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    What's the name of this white knight, pray tell? :D
     
  16. Paul W

    Paul W Forum Resident

    PM
     
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  17. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

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    Toronto, Canada
    Probably Chit Chats. But there could be others. :)
     
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  18. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    It's worth checking a sellers terms. I noticed quite a few of the sellers still have shipping rates listed in their terms even when it's greyed out. If so, you can always send them a PM to confirm. I expect some of them just don't know they have it set up that way.
     
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  19. Paul W

    Paul W Forum Resident

    Yup!
     
  20. RJ3000

    RJ3000 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Milton, MA
    I'm wondering if this shipping policy change would be easier to navigate for a new seller. I've been on Discogs for 10+ years but I've only bought a few things and mostly use to keep track of my own collection. As I'm starting to run out of space, I thought it would be good to list some items for sale, especially those that might not draw as much interest on these forums.

    I took a quick pass on setting up my own policy and it seemed if I limited to the U.S., I just needed to decide if shipping increments would be increasing based on weight or unit quantity.

    I guess I just should bite the bullet and list some "low risk" items to see how it works? I'm a bit of a noob with selling in general (alas, not the case with buying!)
     
  21. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢ Thread Starter

    Location:
    Greater Vancouver
    It's supposed to be and why not give it a try.

    For USA to USA only it's easy because even media mail has tracked shipping at a reasonable cost. To and for other countries it's not as simple or reasonable as you see by reading this thread we're in. Just be sure to list in the exact pressing you have to avoid any buyer disappointments.
     
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