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Do you always toe in your main speakers?

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Smurr1958, Nov 13, 2020.

  1. Otlset

    Otlset under western skies

    Location:
    Temecula, CA
    For the longest time I also towed my speakers in slightly, and was happy with the sound. But recently I went through an extensive listening session moving them in and out and all around as far as the cables would allow to see (once again) if the placement was optimal. To my surprise, placing them with no toe-in, firing straight ahead sounded best, with a similar enlargement of the soundstage which now truly extends beyond each speaker to the sides of the listening space.

    At the same time I placed the spikes I had underneath the speakers in some Herbies titanium gliders that isolated them from the floor instead of stabbing directly through the carpet to the concrete slab below. This also raised the speakers about 1 to 1.5 inches higher than before, and the total effect is a definite improvement in not only soundstage width but bass solidity and articulation too. It's the best my system has ever sounded -- I only wish I had more hours in a day to listen and enjoy.
     
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  2. BrentB

    BrentB Forum Resident

    Location:
    Midwestern US
    Never. That is not saying I should not experiment with this though, as I have considered it.
     
  3. hifisoup

    hifisoup Forum Resident

    Location:
    Illinois
    I watched the video. Very cool. I’m going to try this today! Thank you!
     
  4. Kevin j

    Kevin j The 5th 99

    Location:
    Seattle Area
  5. Obtuse1

    Obtuse1 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Florida
    It worked for The Replacements.....:D

     
  6. John76

    John76 Forum Resident

    Location:
    USA
    This is from an owners manual similar to my loudspeakers.

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  7. riddlemay

    riddlemay Forum Resident

    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    I remember, decades ago, the British audio writer/gadfly Jimmy Hughes writing that this was the best thing to do.
     
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  8. Lenny99

    Lenny99 The truth sets you free.

    Location:
    Clarksburg WV
    I have tried different approaches. I think it depends on the room shape, typed and design of the speakers, where one sits and so forth.

    My living room is an odd shape and it’s where my main system is located. My lefts speaker is straight while my right one is towed in. I have fooled around with the right side placement because I have room to move it around, and the differences of 6” can be audible.

    It’s probably due to the bounce of sound waves. Once your angles are off who knows what will be the results.

    So, to answer the original question, it all depends. Lol.
     
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  9. DavidR

    DavidR Forum Resident

    Location:
    Europe
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  10. luckyno13

    luckyno13 Forum Resident

    Location:
    London UK
  11. malco49

    malco49 Forum Resident

    i have a pair of PSB Image B-25 monitors, on stand mounts that i toe in.
     
  12. Smurr1958

    Smurr1958 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    North Fort Myers
    Excellent video- thanks
     
  13. John76

    John76 Forum Resident

    Location:
    USA
    Enforces my thinking regarding keeping the loudspeakers and listening position well away from walls and toeing them in. Like the explanation about how stereo works and the advantages of a center loudspeaker.
     
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2021 at 10:59 AM
  14. riddlemay

    riddlemay Forum Resident

    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    I enjoyed and learned from the video as well. As Alan says several times, he describes an ideal, rather than what might work in the real world.

    Case in point: I can move my speakers farther apart in order to achieve the 1:1.5 ratio he describes. But in doing so, I will move them closer to the side walls!
     
  15. riddlemay

    riddlemay Forum Resident

    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    A thought occurs, re this. Do you suppose toeing out the speakers can create a more spacious "curtain of sound" (to use Alan's term) when physically spacing the speakers farther apart is not an option?
     
  16. geezin'

    geezin' Forum Resident

    Location:
    Keyser WV
    Give it a shot. I toed mine out and the curtain became thin and lacked substance.
     
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  17. AlmanacZinger

    AlmanacZinger Zingin'

    Location:
    The Pacific Grim
    When it's just me: toe-in; if I have guests over: straight out.
     
  18. Lenny99

    Lenny99 The truth sets you free.

    Location:
    Clarksburg WV
    That video was really interesting.
     
  19. hifisoup

    hifisoup Forum Resident

    Location:
    Illinois
    I tried this and followed his directions exactly and I can tell you THIS WORKS! It is amazing. My stereo sounds so much better than ever before. Depth, clarity of instruments and vocals, imaging like crazy. So cool. At the end he suggests working with toe in but says that depending on your final speaker placement you may or may not need toe in.
     
  20. jheyesen

    jheyesen Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Midwest
    Decided to play around with toe in on my KEF R7s this weekend. Speakers and listening spot are equally distanced at 10’ per my room size. Bringing the speakers in to around 18 degrees really snapped things in to focus and added spatial detail. I was finally able to hear the 3 dimensionality of my MoFi 45 RPM mono pressing of Pet Sounds. Incredible!
     

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