Do you have the correct/original inner sleeves into each LPs in your collection? Pics and history.

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  1. Giorgio

    Giorgio Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Early Stones were on Decca, and an excellent source for their original inners is this one: DECCA Inner Bags – Stones on Decca
     
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  2. andrewskyDE

    andrewskyDE Island Owner

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    Ugh... brain fart. Thought the Emitex sleeves were also for Decca LPs.
    They look so similar. Funny enough I have these Decca inner sleeves, too.^^
     
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  3. Paul Rymer

    Paul Rymer Forum Resident

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    This Island design was used in the UK in the early 1980s for some releases - I got this one with B-2 Unit by Ryuichi Sakamoto
     
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  4. Giorgio

    Giorgio Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    These inners are a jungle, easy to get confused :agree:
     
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  5. McLover

    McLover Senior Member

    When a sleeve is good, but factory, I keep it even if the record is a reject. I keep a stock of original company sleeves like this. If someone has a great copy and needs one, and I have one I can spare, ask. Start a conversation.
     
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  6. Jskoda

    Jskoda Forum Resident

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    OK, here's my list of U.S. Decca "arrow" inner sleeves.

    Decca began using the arrow logo in the U.S. around 1962, and they changed to a different logo in 1970. So between 1962 and 1970, U.S. Decca used a series of inner sleeves for popular records with a similar design but a different background color and updated album releases for each. I've seen nine of them. They looked like the yellow and dark orange sleeves shown at the beginning of this thread.

    I'm a longtime Brenda Lee collector, so I'm basing my dates on which Brenda LP is pictured on the sleeves and when those were released.

    Yellow, used after 8/1961
    Red, used after 2/1962
    Dark Blue, used after 2/1963
    Light Purple, used after 12/1963
    Light Orange, used after 5/1964
    Gold, used after 2/1965
    Green, used after 5/1965
    Dark Orange, used after 7/1966
    Bright Blue, used after 3/1968

    Also, sometime in 1965/1966, there was a special grayscale sleeve with a different design saying "America's Greatest Entertainers are on Decca Records." This was used only briefly, and then they went back to the regular design.

    As you can see, they stopped changing these as often in the mid-1960s, so the dark orange and bright blues are the most common.

    Seriously trivial information, but fun to know!
     
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  7. Giorgio

    Giorgio Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    WOW, for early standard US Decca inners you are THE MAM, this is A FEEDBACK :thumbsup:, many thanks for this :targettiphat:

    Hey, they are not "trivial information", they come from experience and careful and precise work by a serious vimyl's collector, we all need Guys like you, LOL!!

    So, with ref at the beginning of this thread, the correct inners should be:
    - For The Who "My Generation" (released in the US in April 1966) >> the Green one, used from 5/1965 to 7/1966;
    - For The Who "Magic Bus" (released in October 1968) >> the Bright Blue one, used after 3/1968.
    Is my understanding correct?
     
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  8. misteranderson

    misteranderson Forum Resident

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    My Transformer has a "Dynaflex" sleeve - same text as your Rock 'n' Roll Animal one, but much smaller printing. I have no idea what's original.
     
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  9. lou

    lou Fast 'n Bulbous

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    I have all my vinyl inner sleeves from all my records starting from the mid 60s - but i replaced them all with lined sleeves to better protect them and moved the original sleeves to boxes. Now I have no idea what sleeve goes with what record.
     
  10. Giorgio

    Giorgio Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Thanks a lot for the comparison with a US RCA's LP in your collection!

    Transformer is from 1972, and Rock 'n' Roll Animal is from 1974.
    Same layout but difference in text's size...the questions are: is the text size the only requirement needed to understand? Are they both in the correct album's era?

    Feddback from others are very welcome!
     
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  11. Giorgio

    Giorgio Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    This thread could help you to make order to recompose the original set-up (of each?) of your albums, if this is of interest to you :)
     
  12. daveidmarx

    daveidmarx Forem Residunt

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    I have an original mono Beatles Second Album with a promo hole punched through the cover, and corresponding inner sleeve, so I'd say that's a correct match!

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  13. Giorgio

    Giorgio Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Over the years I have kept with me all the inners that I found in good condition, contained in albums in poor condition.
    Honestly, I don't remember if these two come from US copies of Beatles LPs on Capitol (they are both the same), and I'm not an expert on them ...
    Do you have it in your original US Beatles Capitol Albums collection?
    If yes, in which album you have it?
    If not, do you have an idea in what years can we place it?


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  14. lou

    lou Fast 'n Bulbous

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    It is, but I'd have to get the sleeves out of storage and go through them. Obviously it's easy to match the sleeve to the label, but when you have dozens of albums on that label from the same year, it becomes harder. Sometimes the records on the sleeve will make it obvious, sometimes not so much.
     
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  15. andrewskyDE

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    Think that fits as inner sleeve for the Help! soundtrack, as this isn't on the ads. Generally I think this might be mid-65.
     
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  16. Mlle. Aurora

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    Great idea, @Giorgio !
    I start with UK Track - Who Sell Out (1970).

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  17. Jskoda

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    Yes, roughly. These dates aren't exact. Plus, some LPs may have gotten slightly older sleeves if they had them to use up. Also, if it has a newer sleeve, that's probably from a slightly later pressing. But, in general, what you say is what I'd expect.

    This is interesting stuff to me. I also collect soundtrack albums, and some of them stayed in print forever. Sometimes dating the inner sleeve is the only way to figure out the rough age of the LP.
     
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  18. Giorgio

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    Nice!
    This is the better proof of original inner IMHO, when a promo hole punched on the cover fits exactly with the one on its inner :righton:
     
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  19. Giorgio

    Giorgio Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    You have hard work to do, but in the end you'll be glad I think :agree:
     
  20. Giorgio

    Giorgio Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Agreed that this is from mid-65, but...do you think that the record companies printed inners with titles not yet released but close to release?
    If this inner was in the Help! album, it means it was printed before the album was released...
    So, did they print inners also dedicated to upcoming releases, in advance?
     
  21. Giorgio

    Giorgio Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Thanks, you are welcome!!!
    I'm not familiar with this title, but Discogs says this is a reissue dated November 1970, so, that inner is the correct one :righton:
     
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  22. misteranderson

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    The only other Dynaflex I have from around that time is an original Ziggy, but that one has a black & white sleeve with lyrics and pictures, and I'm 99% sure it's the correct one.
     
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  23. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    1965
     
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  24. Giorgio

    Giorgio Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Yes of course, I think that it is not possible to have exact certainty, unless someone who was working in a pressing plant at the time gives us a testimony with detailed and competent explanations, because I don't think there is documentation available on this topic on the internet...
    Until then, having feedback from those who have been collecting for many years like this above (early US Decca inners) is very important to me and you have a good guideline to follow IMHO.
     
  25. Giorgio

    Giorgio Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    DITTO: my fault, confused "Help!" with "Beatles 65", and my questions were accordingly...now it's clear.
     
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