DCC Archive Doors

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by petzi, Oct 13, 2001.

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  1. petzi

    petzi Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Germany
    Is it correct that "Doors" CDs from DCC are out of print ? Are they going to be reprinted later on ? How do these CDs compare to the stock CDs ?

    Thanks :)

    Michael
     
  2. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

    Location:
    B.C.
    Michael,
    Can you say heavenly. Nothing I've heard even comes within a mile of the DCC Doors issues. :D
     
  3. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    Have you heard the Bernie Grundman remasters?
     
  4. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

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    No I haven't heard the Bernie Grundman remasters yet. How do they sound Luke? I just can't imagine The Doors sounding any better than DCC's but I'm always open to an education ;)
     
  5. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    Well, I like the sound on them, but I haven't heard any of the DCC versions, so I can't really compare. I think I can imagine how the DCCs might sound different/better, but again, without hearing them, it's hard to say.

    Of course, I really don't think my pre-remastered copy of The Doors sounds that bad, actually... :o
     
  6. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

    Location:
    South Plymouth, Ma
    The 1st masters of the Doors S/T was actually pretty strong (1st issue being from the Hannover Germany PGD facility, mastered from the WEA group). I own the DCC of The Doors and it's much better in ways you'd never guess. Much closer to the truth. I too was doubtful that the'd be any outlandish difference, because some of the 1st Doors cds were done well. Haven't tried Bernie's yet.
     
  7. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    Hmm...my "original" copy of The Doors certainly isn't from PDO. I'm not sure *where* it's from (doesn't look like any other CDs I've seen), but...

    Comparing it to the Grundman disc, my thoughts were that the new issue sounded slightly fuller, but it wasn't a "wow, this sounds great!" type of thing...
     
  8. Unknown

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    The one with "remastered from the original master tapes for superior sound quality" thing on the back? (I assume not.)

    Those are supposedly 2nd issues, but I have yet to see original Doors CDs. I did see an odd early issue of LA Woman once, but it was an import (I think), and may not match what the US copy looks like. The mystery continues.
     
  9. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    Yeah, that's the one I have...
     
  10. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

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    The original Doors CDs domesically available were made in Hannover Germany and do not have anything referencing "Digitally remastered" at all. The most common are the 2nd versions (and DO say stuff mentioning digitally remastered) Original versions made in Germany sport a full-faced 2-color label. I have a U2/War and Eagles/At The Border like this. The radio station I first worked with had The Doors, 1st pressing. Had a full face grey-label with red trim, and the "E" logo for Elektra.

    Uhh, not like the Doors 1st pressing German CD sounds much different than the remaster, so don't think I'm pointing a better CD out, because I'm not. The DCC is the cleanest sounding overall. You'll See!!
     
  11. Unknown

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    <stupid question deleted>

    I heard that the original CDs sucked and the band sued to get them remastered. True?

    [ October 13, 2001: Message edited by: Patrick M ]
     
  12. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

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    No, the original CDs didn't suck, but maybe LA woman did. The Doors S/T did not, there never was a "BAD" Doors S/T CD.

    And no, not yellow. Like I said, grey faced, with the red edge/trim. Used the normal triangular "E" as the logo. Once WEA had taken over manufacturing, Elecktra used the "Red hump" with the thin "e" sticking out of it.

    In fact, when they got to "LA Woman" and issued it, they used a pinkish-red face with black trim and the new circular logo. Again, these are export only CDs for the US and Canada, made from Hannover Germany (PDO). Radio station I worked with had that one too.

    No, in fact, NO Doors CD that was released early (pre-American made) sounded "BAD", ever. *Maybe* a tiny bit dull, but you had to really A/B em and concentrate.

    Again, please don't take this as something to seek out. They're older Cds, that's all.
     
  13. Alan T

    Alan T Senior Member

    Location:
    Phoenix
    Sorry Scott,
    The old versions did have inferior sound.
    The Band, Jac Holzman, and Bruce Botnick all complained about the sound quality. They were made from 4th or 5th generation German LP production masters. Almost all of the early Polygram pressed WEA product was mastered from similar tapes.
     
  14. Unknown

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    I have DCC's complete Doors collection and I like them, but Bernie Grundman's remaster sound better... and I'm a 1000% Steve Hoffman fan! But I'm sure the upcoming Doors remaster (Waiting For The Sun and Morisson Hotel) will sound better than the Elektra remasters. Can't wait Steve!!!
     
  15. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

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    The Doors Cds have undergone miles of improvement, and I agree with you, but what I was saying was those CDs were not so terrible that it was hard to listen to them. Many other Cds sounded better and worse than the 1st Doors Cds, TRUST me on that. I never said these Cds were awesome. Inferior, yes. Detestful, no, not IMO. Many other Cds of that time were incredibly poor. The DCC S/T Doors is the best I've heard. Blows the Bruce Botonick remaster completely away. I don't have the Bernie remasters though.
     
  16. Uncle Al

    Uncle Al Senior Member

    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    Forgive me - I am acronym challenged.

    I had to read through this thread twice to interpret Doors S/T as Doors self titled, even though I was fairly sure we were talking about their first album. I think we should define acronyms before we use them.

    [ October 14, 2001: Message edited by: Uncle Al ]
     
  17. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

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    Hmm, I thought S/T was well understood. It's not an Internet thing, I assure you. More like a catalogue thing, when you look down at the titles available from a certain artist. Oh well..

    I'm listening to the DCC Doors s/t actually right now from Acoustat 3's and I can't imagine ANY improvement from this. I feel I can walk right into the speakers and bump into the band. Steve nailed this one!
     
  18. christopher

    christopher Forum Neurotic

    i've heard the DCC versions and i have the complete studio box set and the box sounds wonderful to my ears. HDCD remastering, to boot. my fave "strange days", in particular, sounds good but LOUD. in fact, they're all loud.

    some folks at the time of issue complained that their discs warpped when kept in the box. i suggest getting them out of the box and into the body of your collection.

    also, i'm fond of the DVD-A version of "LA woman". a fun album to drink to. the 6 channel mix of "cars hiss by my window" sounds like you're in the room with the band.

    later, chris
     
  19. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    Here's a tip: rip out one of the plastic side pieces (you'll probably have to break some glue). There are some ridges on the back side - shave these down a bit, then put the plastic back in the box. The sleeves should now slide in and out nicely (if they don't, shave some more plastic off).
     
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