ebay disclaimer

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by peterC, Apr 19, 2002.

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  1. peterC

    peterC Aussie Addict Thread Starter

    Location:
    sydney
    How can you possibly bid with any confidence when you read this:



    "PLEASE REMEMBER: This item is SEALED........and there is no guessing the TRUE condition of this recording. What is listed as open but MINT- by one person is not necessarily mint- to another.........I'm sure you know what I mean."


    Unfortunately I don't!
     
  2. Kayaker

    Kayaker Senior Member

    Location:
    New Joisey Now
    It means the person who buys it will also sell it sealed for more money with the same disclaimer. This will go on until someone who really wants to listen to the CD (imagine that!) buys it, opens it and takes the financial hit when he tries to sell it. At least when he sells it, he will not need a disclaimer!
     
  3. MikeyH

    MikeyH Stamper King

    Location:
    Berkeley, CA
    Umm, I'd guess that he means you're on your own when you open the disk. If it has a manufacturing fault, you have no comeback. There's no other way to do it, with factory sealed items. You can bid with that much confidence.

    Of course, you can always keep it sealed, and just look at it.....

    Mike
     
  4. Mike

    Mike New Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    That's Mr. Gold Lp on CD. What I think he is trying to say is:

    This item is sealed and therefore you don't have to guess (or worry about it) - it is brand new. As opposed to open cd's, which can be described as mint but often aren't.

    He's just not communicating well. I haven't bought from him, but he's been around awhile and I'm sure his stuff is factory sealed because he has a lot of it. He's not picking up the odd used cd and resealing it. But his prices are high.

    If you're new to ebay watch out. :eek: I've purchased hundreds of out of print cd's on ebay and if I'm buying something sealed (usually) I always send an email like this - Hello: Does this item have any cutout marks and is it a record club version? Also, are you sure it is factory sealed - I've been getting some used reseals on ebay lately. Thanks! You get all kinds of responses - sometimes the seller gets a little snippy and offended (not often), sometimes they go off on the resealers because they hate them too. But still, I get reseals and cutouts anyway, but it does cut down on them. Also, there are 2 kinds of reseal - 1. The cd that didn't sell because the case was cracked and it got sent back to be shrinkwrapped. This cd is new, so no problem. 2. The used beat up reseal. I haven't bought any DCC gold cd's on ebay luckily. Even if a cd has the strip across the top it can still be beat up used, you just pop the bottom hinge to get it out and then reshrinkwrap it. I just got a beat up used reseal from towerrecords.com a couple weeks ago - it's rampant. I see them in every major chain - now that my eye is keen due to getting burnt on ebay. So .... have fun! :D
     
  5. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

    Location:
    B.C.
    Last year when I first started on ebay I purchased a couple of audiophile gold cd's from him and his descriptions are very accurate. Unfortunately his prices are always up there.

    Can you imagine paying between $25 and $35 for an aluminum DCC that sold for $9.99 last year and is still available elsewhere for $11.99[​IMG]
     
  6. Ben

    Ben New Member

    Location:
    Phoenix, Arizona
     
  7. Holy Zoo

    Holy Zoo Gort (Retired) :-)

    Location:
    Santa Cruz

    I know what he means...

    It means that if you buy it and it turns out to be defective, you're SOL.

    This happened to me about 4 months ago (not with this seller, but another): I bought the very out of print (and very pricey) MOFI Blues In Orbit SACD, sealed.

    When I got it and opened it, guess what: it doesn't play in my SACD player. The regular redbook cd layer does, just not the super audio layer.

    Anyways, what I'm getting at here is that this was still a "mint sealed" copy, sold as is.

    Same thing with LPs.. sometimes you get a mint sealed LP that has a manufacturing flaw. Sucks, but what can you do if you've been warned up front?
     
  8. peterC

    peterC Aussie Addict Thread Starter

    Location:
    sydney
    Thanks everyone.

    I initially thought that maybe he means he doesn't know if the seal is a factory seal or a reseal and because it's sealed he can't open it to check!

    But if he's just talking about possible defects in manufacture then it's probably worth the risk.
     
  9. ArneW

    ArneW Senior Member

    Location:
    Cologne, Germany
    In my salad days (pre-1985), there was a guy named Larry Sabatino or sth. He had his ads printed in Goldmine, Record Collector, every major used records publication. He must have been the greatest resealer of all time. I, piccolo stupido, bought from him several times - until I visited my first used record fair in Holland. When I mentioned his name to one of the exhibitors, the whole room went dead quiet. Everyone knew this guy, and would have attended his execution with great pleasure. But this was long time ago. No internet, no forums to communicate this to others. How glad am I the old days are gone forever! Cheers to all members of stevehoffman.tv!

    Arne
     
  10. KLM

    KLM Senior Member

    Peter,
    I saw that disclaimer as well and thought it strange. I think it could mean anyone of the ones mentioned here on the forrum. In my experience, the best thing to do is if in doubt, send the seller an email and ask him to clarify what he means. Not only will you get a direct answer from the source, but you can see how long it takes him to get back to you and what type of answer he gives you. This always helps me evaluate a seller I am unfamilar with. Good luck and happy bidding.
     
  11. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

    Location:
    Toronto
    I've seen this seller before. It's simple really. He just does not want to have any refunds or returns. He wants to keep his $, everything is at YOUR risk.

    "You pays your money, youse takes your chances"
     
  12. Tullman

    Tullman Senior Member

    Location:
    Boston MA
    Hey this guy is no different than most retail stores or online record/cd/dvd stores. How many retail stores will refund your money if you break the seal. I bought a Bruce Lee dvd from best buys and the quality was so bad it looked like a fourth generation tape from a cheap old VCR. Best Buys refused to refund my money or give me a store credit, but said they would give me another copy of the same dvd. I will not shop there again.

    I have had certain cds that would not play on my cd player. One in particular a Jackson Browne cd that I bought at Circuit city. Circuit City refunded my money. I am a valuable returning customer at Circuit City.

    If one gets a bad pressing and brings it back to the store, most likely the store will just give you another bad pressing of the same title. This is wrong.
     
  13. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

    Location:
    B.C.
    Reminds me of a funny thing that happened to me when I was an ebay pup.

    I had just aquired a sealed The Police: Syncronicity UD2 (I didn't know any better at the time). I cracked the seal, ahhhh virgin cd's, opened the case and what the....no cd! Luckily for me the seller was very understanding and immediately replaced it with the real McCoy. Now I always give even sealed cd's the thorough once over before opening.
     
  14. jligon

    jligon Forum Resident

    Location:
    Peoria, IL
    Perhaps I'm naive, but I assume that his discs are guaranteed to be mint because thay are sealed, as opposed to putting faith in someone's description of an opened CD. If this is the case, however, I would have had the word guessing in all caps instead of TRUE. Either that or I would have stated that your satisfaction is guaranteed.
    Write to him and find out what he means.:confused:
     
  15. jligon

    jligon Forum Resident

    Location:
    Peoria, IL
    I have also boycotted the Best Buy stores. Too bad more people don't.
     
  16. mcow1

    mcow1 Sommelier Gort

    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    I recently bought a JVC dvd player at Best Buy and the extended warranty for $50. When you play Star Wars Phantom Menace on it the spot (CH. 14) where Watto is talking does not show the translation on the screen (it shows on my other players). Bets Buy says that's the way some dvd players work it doesn't read all the data. They will not replace it or fix it.
     
  17. Mike

    Mike New Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    Re: Re: ebay disclaimer

    That's what I think! It's really funny that there are two opposing opinions as to what this guy is trying to say:

    1. It's sealed, so you know it's good

    2. It's sealed, so anything could be inside, it's your problema, go away
     
  18. peterC

    peterC Aussie Addict Thread Starter

    Location:
    sydney
    Hey Dave there's another way to check. Have you noticed that after years of handling these little buggers you can actually tell if the CD is inside just from the weight of the case in your hand.
     
  19. Tullman

    Tullman Senior Member

    Location:
    Boston MA
    Hey, If I don't like a retail store or seller they will get no more of my hard earned money. There are plenty of other stores out there.

    Why are you boycotting Best Buy??
     
  20. jligon

    jligon Forum Resident

    Location:
    Peoria, IL
    Much the same reason you are. I used to buy many VHS pre-recorded tapes from them, among other things. I'm very particular and a number of them, over the years, went back to be exchanged for a non-defective copy. I never asked for my money back, just an exchange for the same item.
    Well, their policy is that, once you've returned three items to their store, you can no longer return stuff. Three strikes and you're out, so to speak.
    They seem very skeptical that any of their merchandise could truely be defective and they always make you feel like you're trying to pull on over on them. I just want what I payed for. When you exchange stuff, they make it seem like you're getting something for free. I just got sick of waiting in that stupid line to see if the "Customer Service" representative was going to believe my story or not.
    Additionally, the BB in my town has the worst CD selection I've ever seen! Nothing but Greastest Hits collections. Their Jazz section is only about two or three rows wide, which makes them very easy to Boycot!:)
     
  21. peterC

    peterC Aussie Addict Thread Starter

    Location:
    sydney
    That reminds me of the pre-CD days when I would return LPs because of excessive surface noice or bubbles in the vinyl which would make that dull thudding noise on each revolution. I'd lie awake the night before rehearsing my explanation and worrying that I was in for an argument. Usually I had no problem getting a replacement but occasionally the guy in the shop would listen to it on his crappy little system with trucks going by the door and say "sounds OK to me".

    The good old days!
     
  22. Tullman

    Tullman Senior Member

    Location:
    Boston MA
    Yeah, being treated like a thief after spending hundreds in a store is an automatic boycott in my book.
     
  23. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

    Location:
    B.C.
    Guys you know how it is. At the record/cd store it works the same way the legal system works "Guilty until proven innocent".;) :D
     
  24. peterC

    peterC Aussie Addict Thread Starter

    Location:
    sydney
    Now now Dave!
    I'd blame the media for that one. The legal system is full of wonderful hard-working trustworthy people.............like me!

    (hmm... and I was considering stealing my Buddy Holly back from my brother!!)
     
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