Essential Barry Diament masterings (Part 2)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by darkmatter, Jun 26, 2010.

  1. Andreas

    Andreas Senior Member

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    I beg to differ, the heading is "Essential Barry Diament masterings", how can they be essential if we don't know if they were released? But I am nit picking, you can ignore me. :)
     
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  2. George P

    George P Notable Member

    Location:
    NYC
    Update

    AC/DC High Voltage
    AC/DC Let There Be Rock? (Barry is unsure if he did this one)
    AC/DC If You Want Blood You've Got It
    AC/DC Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
    AC/DC Highway To Hell
    AC/DC Back In Black*
    AC/DC For Those About To Rock*
    AC/DC Who Made Who

    Bad Company Bad Company*
    Bad Company Straight Shooter
    Bad Company 10 From 6
    Bad Company Run With the Pack
    Bad Company Burnin' Sky (?)
    Bad Company Desolation Angels (?)
    Bad Company Rough Diamonds (?)

    Baker, Anita Rapture
    Beaudry, Paul and Pathways Americas* Soundkeeper Recordings - All Formats
    Bellvue Cadillac Black and White*
    Blues Brothers, The Briefcase Full of Blues
    Bolin, Tommy The Ultimate
    Brickell, Edie (& New Bohemians) Shooting Rubberbands At The Stars*
    Browne, Jackson Lives In The Balance
    Browne, Jackson Lawyers In Love

    Bullock, Hiram From All Sides (?)

    Cage, John (& The Arditti Quartet) The Complete String Quartets Vol. 1*
    Call, The Reconciled
    Chic C'est Chic (?)
    Coasters, The The Ultimate Coasters* Warner Special Products 9 27604-2

    Collins, Phil Face Value*
    Collins, Phil Hello I Must Be Going*
    Collins, Phil No Jacket Required

    Cowboy Mouth Word of Mouth*
    Croce, Jim Photographs And Memories*

    Crosby Stills & Nash S/T "Couch" Atlantic 19117-2
    Crosby Stills Nash & Young Déjà vu Atlantic 19118-2
    Crosby Stills Nash & Young So Far Atlantic 19119-2

    C.S. Angels Chasing Shadows Atlantic
    Cult, The Electric (?)
    Cure, The The Head On The Door

    Danzig S/T
    Darin, Bobby The Ultimate Bobby Darin* Warner Special Products 9 27606-2

    Dokken Under Lock And Key
    Dokken Breaking The Chains

    Dream Command Fire On The Moon
    Dr. John I did *something* Dr. John. (Great guy too!) - BD
    Duke, George George Duke Atlantic 9 60480-2

    Eagles S/T
    Eagles Desperado
    Eagles The Long Run
    Eagles Their Greatest Hits*
    Eagles Greatest Hits Volume 2

    Emerson Lake & Palmer S/T
    Emerson Lake & Palmer Brain Salad Surgery

    Enya Watermark* (original and reissue with added tracks)
    Eubanks, Kevin Sundance

    Firm, The S/T
    Firm, The Mean Business

    Flack, Roberta Killing Me Softly

    Foreigner Double Vision
    Foreigner Head Games
    Foreigner 4
    Foreigner Agent Provocateur

    Frankie Goes To Hollywood Welcome To The Pleasure Dome
    Franklin, Aretha best of (?)

    Genesis A Trick Of The Tail 32VD-1023 (see bottom of page)
    Genesis Duke
    Genesis Abacab
    Genesis Three Sides Live (US version with "Paperlate")
    Genesis S/T

    Georgia Satellites, The S/T

    Golden Earring The Hole 7 90514-2 on 21 Records Atco (Barry is unsure if he did this one)

    Guns’N’Roses Appetite For Destruction*
    Guns’N’Roses G 'N' R Lies*

    Hanoi Rocks Bangkok Shocks, Saigon Shakes, Hanoi Rocks Geffen/Uzi Suicide
    Hanoi Rocks Back To Mystery City Geffen/Uzi Suicide
    Hanoi Rocks Self Destruction Blues Geffen/Uzi Suicide
    Hanoi Rocks Oriental Beat Geffen/Uzi Suicide
    Helldorado Sinful Soul*
    Hex Hex*

    INXS Listen Like Thieves

    J. Geils Band, The Best Of The J. Geils Band
    Jones, Grace Island Life Island 90491-2

    Jones, Howard One To One
    Jones, Howard Dream Into Action

    Keeler Autofocus
    Keene, Tommy Based On Happy Times*
    Kershaw, Rusty Now and Then*
    Kitaro The Light Of The Spirit*
    KMFDM Glory

    Led Zeppelin I Atlantic 240031
    Led Zeppelin II Atlantic 240037
    Led Zeppelin III
    Led Zeppelin Houses Of The Holy
    Led Zeppelin Physical Graffiti
    Led Zeppelin The Song Remains The Same
    Led Zeppelin Presence
    Led Zeppelin In Through The Out Door
    Led Zeppelin Coda

    Marley, Bob Catch A Fire Tuff Gong 422-846 201-2
    Marley, Bob Burnin'* Tuff Gong 422-846 200-2
    Marley, Bob Natty Dread* Tuff Gong 422-846 204-2
    Marley, Bob Live!* Tuff Gong 422-846 203-2
    Marley, Bob Rastaman Vibration* Tuff Gong 422-846 205-2
    Marley, Bob Exodus * Tuff Gong 422-846 208-2
    Marley, Bob Bob Marley - Kaya* Tuff Gong 422-846 209-2
    Marley, Bob Babylon By Bus* Tuff Gong 422-846 197-2
    Marley, Bob Survival* Tuff Gong 422-846 202-2
    Marley, Bob Uprising* Tuff Gong 422-846 211-2
    Marley, Bob Confrontation* Tuff Gong 422-846 207-2
    Marley, Bob Legend* Tuff Gong 846 210-2
    Marley, Bob Rebel Music*

    Meatloaf Blind Before I Stop*

    Mike + the Mechanics S/T
    Mike + the Mechanics Living Years

    Mötley Crüe Too Fast For Love

    Nash, Graham Innocent Days Atlantic 8122 79925 6 6 Manufactured in E.U. (?)
    Neville, Ivan Thanks*
    Nicholson, Gary The Sky's Not The Limit*

    Nicks, Stevie Bella Donna
    Nicks, Stevie The Wild Heart
    Nicks, Stevie Rock a Little Modern 7 90479-2

    Nico The Marbel Index*
    Nine Inch Nails Pretty Hate Machine*
    Nu Shooz Poolside
    Nugent, Ted Little Miss Dangerous*

    Of Cabbages And Kings Hunter's Moon*
    Of Cabbages And Kings Never Too Late*

    Onyan Art Reagge Rock*
    Orr, Benjamin The Lace

    Palmer, Robert Pressure Drop
    Palmer, Robert Sneakin' Sally Through The Alley
    Palmer, Robert Pride
    Palmer, Robert Riptide

    Peacock, David Thomas Grim Determination Meets the Fields of Sorrow*

    Plant, Robert Pictures At Eleven Swan Song SS 8512-2
    Plant, Robert The Principle Of Moments

    Rascals, The Ultimate Rascals* Warner Special Products 9 27605-2 this one
    Ratt Dancing Undercover
    Redding, Otis Ultimate Otis Redding* Warner Special Products 9 27608-2
    Rock City Angels Young Man's Blues

    Ronstadt, Linda Simple Dreams
    Ronstadt, Linda What's New
    Ronstadt, Linda Lush Life
    Ronstadt, Linda For Sentimental Reasons

    Salty Dog Every Dog Has It's Day

    Schwartz, Markus (& Lakou Brooklyn) Equinox* Soundkeeper Recordings - All Formats

    Simply Red Picture Book
    Simply Red Men And Women
    Simply Red A New Flame
    Simply Red Stars
    Simply Red "You've Got It" CD single* (four songs total including a live "Holding Back the Years" and "I Wish")

    Slayer South Of Heaven*
    Slayer Reign in Blood*

    Stacey Q Better Than Heaven
    Subdudes Lucky*
    Sun And The Moon, The Sun And The Moon*

    Terenzi, Dr. Fiorella Music From The Galaxies*
    Tesla The Great Radio Controversy

    Townshend, Pete Psychoderelict* (several versions for Atlantic including original censored dialog and cassette!)
    Townshend, Pete White City*
    Townshend, Pete Deep End Live
    Townshend, Pete Scoop*
    Townshend, Pete Another Scoop*

    Twisted Sister Come Out and Play (?)

    U2 Boy
    U2 October
    U2 War
    U2 Under A Blood Red Sky

    Underworld Born Slippy*

    Vitelli, Jason No Photographs*
    Vitelli, Jason Confluence* Soundkeeper Recordings - All Formats

    Work Of Art Lift* Soundkeeper Recordings - All Formats
    Work Of Art Simplicity* Sword in the Stone Records - All Formats
    Work Of Art Waves* Sword in the Stone Records - All Formats

    Yes The Yes Album Atlantic 19131-2
    Yes Fragile
    Yes Close To The Edge Atlantic 19133-2
    Yes Drama Atlantic 16019-2
    Yes Tormato
    Yes Classic Yes

    Zebra 3.V Atlantic 7 81692-2
    Zevon, Warren A Quiet Normal Life: The Best Of Warren Zevon*

    Various artists Atlantic Soul Classics Warner Special Products 9-27601-2
    Various artists Superstars in Digital Warner Special Products 9 27600-2 - "possibly"
    Various artists Stand By Me (soundtrack)
    Various artists Woodstock - Music From The Original Soundtrack And More


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    CDs NOT mastered by Barry Diament

    Foreigner - Foreigner
    Yes - Yessongs

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    *From the original master tapes -- AC/DC Back In Black is "perhaps" and Eagles Greatest Hits is "I *think*... but analog 'best of's were usually created by copying from the originals and assembling the copies into a new album so that would have been 1:1 from the originals..." - BD.

    Jim Croce: see above about "best of" compilations

    Genesis: "I did create CD masters for all --or almost all-- of the Genesis albums not long after I left Atlantic in the late '80s. Since I never received copies of pressings, I do not know if any of the masters I sent were ever used for CD production." - BD

    Led Zeppelin: "The difference is that most of the Zeps (with the exception of "In Through The Out Door" and "Coda" were from flat copies and not EQ'd Limited copies." - BD

    Genesis: "The Genesis (at least the ones I did when I was still at Atlantic, were mostly from EQ'd limited tapes but were to my ears, better done than the Nicks EQ'd limited tapes - and probably the mixes as well. (I hear the "cold edge" too - but would assign it a lower frequency than you did, perhaps around 5 - 8k.)" - BD

    AC/DC: "AC/DC's "Back In Black" and "For Those About To rock" were from untouched original mixes." - BD

    Bob Marley: "And all of the Marleys were from originals - no one's EQ or limiting for me to contend with." - BD
     
  3. Dam

    Dam Forum Resident

    Location:
    Australia
    Too late, princesskiki...I have already been committed to an asylum due to the mental anguish over this;)
     
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  4. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    :laugh:
     
  5. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    Led Zeppelin I Atlantic 240031 still my favorite!
     
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  6. Blue Gecko

    Blue Gecko Peace

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    Thanks for checking! I appreciate your work. Your pressing history of the Face Value CD is interesting and a valuable read for me. When reading the HF thread I referenced above, I did come across the 93.3 EAC value you referenced in your post early in the thread. It appears to be the Canadian Cinram version with a level shift down. The original clipping present on the Diament mastering is also present on the Cinram and present at EAC values of less than 100%, an oddity. It seems likely the the timeline for the Cinram version is later.
     
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  7. Dam

    Dam Forum Resident

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    Why would this - level shifted down - be done...is this common for CD...I always thought it to be the opposite?! Are there any sonic advantages?
     
  8. Blue Gecko

    Blue Gecko Peace

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    Not sure. I wish I knew more on the subject. Perhaps someone else can comment.

    Now if I were to speculate what those Canadians might have done, perhaps it is as simple as they performed a level shift down due the 100% values of two of the tracks. Again... pure speculation. :)
     
  9. Dam

    Dam Forum Resident

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    Australia
    Thanks...I would be interested to know/understand why this would be done, too!
    Maybe it will remain to be another of life's mysteries!?:laugh:
     
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  10. irong

    irong Forum Resident

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    Quebec, Canada
    Anyone has an ASIN for Roberta Flack - Killing Me Softly? It seems I can only find remasters on Amazon.
     
  11. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    NYC
    075678154027
     
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  12. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

    Location:
    Toulouse, France
    Simply because peaks reaching the 100% digital value have a risk of producing audible clipping on some systems.
     
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  13. Dam

    Dam Forum Resident

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    Thanks, Plan9...so, it's possible a CD - in this case the Canadian pressing of 'Face Value' - could sound *better* simply because of the reduced peak levels?
     
  14. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

    Location:
    Toulouse, France
    It's *possible*. Although it depends on if there is clipping and if it is audible in the first place. My guess is not.
     
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  15. TNTguy

    TNTguy Forum Resident

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    Thanks to this wonderful thread found a Bob Marley: Legend CD.

    :bigeek:
     
  16. fluffskul

    fluffskul Would rather be at a concert

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    albany, ny
    the whole catalogue mastered by Barry sounds wonderful and can be found fairly cheap if you are patient and resourceful. a worthy investment of time/money.

    i'm not an expert on all the available marley pressings... but if u have 1) all the diaments 2) the AF SACD for a good collection of the early "grey market-ish" stuff and 3) the deluxe "Catch a Fire" for the original Jamaican mix... i can't imagine you'll want for any Marley.
     
  17. mdm08033

    mdm08033 Senior Member

    Well put. The vintage Diament masters of the Marley / Wailers CD catalog is essential and cheap listening.
     
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  18. The_Shocker

    The_Shocker Forum Resident

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    Philadelphia
    I just bought a used copy of Hello, I Must Be Going! by Phil Collins and was hoping someone may be able help me identify if it's Diament mastering or not.

    Atlantic Records Catalog Number: 80035-2
    Bar Code: 07567-80035-2
    Matrix: 3 80035-2 SRC+15

    The bottom of the disc says "MADE IN USA BY WEA MANUFACTURING INC"

    The back of the Jewel Case says "Printed in USA"

    Not a target CD. Silver with a red and black outer ring.

    The album cover says:

    INCLUDES
    I DON'T CARE ANY MORE
    AND
    YOU CAN'T HURRY LOVE

    in the bottom right corner.
     
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  19. I thought that Barry also did the first version of All The Besr Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes.
     
  20. The_Shocker

    The_Shocker Forum Resident

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    Philadelphia

    My question was answered by Post #370

    This is indeed a Diament remaster.
     
  21. The Hud

    The Hud Breath of the Kingdom, Tears of the Wild

    Working on getting all the Diament Bob Marley discs. So far I have:

    Legend
    Rebel Music
    Kaya
    Uprising
    Exodus
    Survival
    Live
    Catch A Fire
    Natty Dread
     
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  22. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    NYC
    If you happen to find a post indicating that, we can add it to the list.
     
  23. JayNYC

    JayNYC Chase that sound

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    Miami Beach
    Just picked up Ivan Neville's "Thanks" CD... sounds great, and interestingly, it's not available on Tidal or Spotify. @George P Thanks for maintaining this list!
     
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  24. George P

    George P Notable Member

    Location:
    NYC
    My pleasure, enjoy!

    Btw, I answered your question on the Denon DCD1600 player thread.
     
  25. dobyblue

    dobyblue Forum Resident

    I will add two things:

    1) I’ve never heard Uprising sound as good as it does on the 1982 vinyl
    Box set that was limited to 10,000 copies

    2) If you have 5.1, the Clearmountain surround mix of Exodus alone is worth seeking out the Blu-ray audio release of Legend (30th Anniversary, not the rubbish High Fidelity Pure Audio version)

    I have all the Diament masterings of the Tuff Gong / Island Studio albums from ‘73 on and they certainly all sound magical.
     
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