Ethically purchasing used compact discs: ?

Discussion in 'Marketplace Discussions' started by Cherrycherry, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. Mothmanica

    Mothmanica Forum Cryptid

    Location:
    Australia
    Historically, a musical artist is unethically ripped off by the record labels, the managers, the concert promoters & the bootleggers well before us music fans/record collectors come along to spoil their party! So purchasing used Compact Discs is child's play when it comes to the music industry & the musical artist. There is no such thing as "ethics" in the music business, anyway. Pete Ham (from "Badfinger", RIP) learnt this lesson the hard way.
     
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2019
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  2. Siegmund

    Siegmund Vinyl Sceptic

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    This is very well said. I’m sure everyone on this forum has supported the industry in happier times (and continue to support it now). We need feel no guilt about picking up S/h bargains.
     
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  3. Somerset Scholar

    Somerset Scholar Forum Resident

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    If they dont get bought from charity shops they get landfilled. Certainly not ethical.
    So buy buy buy those used CD's.
    Then enjoy!
     
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  4. BRODNATION

    BRODNATION The Future Never Dies because Tomorrow Never Knows

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    I totally agree. Think about how much more waste their would be in the world if every used CD went from original owner to trash can
     
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  5. pool_of_tears

    pool_of_tears Music Appreciator

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    I purchase a used cd from a shop...they paid for the used copy and are selling it for a profit. The artist already benefitted from the initial sale. The cd shop benefits from a resale. I have no qualms. I didn't steal it.
     
  6. The artist was paid the first time the cd was sold. After that, he/she/they have no control over what happens to it. Once you sell something, it doesn't belong to you anymore.
     
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  7. RhodyDave125

    RhodyDave125 Streetwalkin' Cheetah

    What?? Records are temporary?

    "Too perfect"? "Natural order"?

    This is all really hard to take on a serious level. What does "too perfect" even mean? If you're suggesting that CDs will last forever or are somehow sonically "perfect", we all know that's not remotely true. I won't even take a stab at what you mean by "natural order". We're talking about recordings, not some sort of ecosystem.
     
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  8. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    Not in my opinion. Any time you buy something used, you're "cheating" someone who'd make money if you bought it new...
     
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  9. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    Would you like to subscribe to my newsletter?
     
  10. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    "I'm a shut-in, so why do I pay taxes for roads?" :laugh:
     
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  11. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    And this isn't the first time we've debated this subject.

    It goes the same way every time! :D
     
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  12. Lemon Curry

    Lemon Curry (A) Face In The Crowd

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    I need to start posting about my chile recipes, and whether corn and potatoes belong there, ethically.
     
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  13. markshan

    markshan Forum Resident

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  14. Christian Hill

    Christian Hill It's all in the mind

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    Boston
    90% say it is ethical
     
  15. originalsnuffy

    originalsnuffy Forum Resident

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    True the artist and / or label was paid when the album was first sold new.

    The artist and label do have control at some level. To wit, we are not free to distribute the music ourselves.

    We enjoy a limited right to play the music in a non commercial environment.

    Use in a commercial venue is different. Just ask a bar or restaurant that has had visitors from BMI or ASCAP.
     
  16. BackScratcher

    BackScratcher Forum Resident

    Location:
    Boston
    No. But you should delete the rips.
     
  17. manco

    manco Forum Resident

    Location:
    San Jose, CA
    I prefer not illegally downloading music.
     
  18. Grant

    Grant Now let that bass fall in! Oh yeah!

    Location:
    United States
    Buying used CDs is both ethical and legal in the U.S.. First sale doctrine, man!

    As far as deleting rips of sold CDs is concerned, you all know that almost no one does that. It's not a big deal, and the record labels aren't looking at it. And, even if they did, there is no way to enforce it and no way to prove anything. But, if it bothers your concience, delete your rips.
     
  19. Grant

    Grant Now let that bass fall in! Oh yeah!

    Location:
    United States
    Yes it is. Just don't try to sell or give away your copies. No one is looking at giving your significant other or your best buddy a copy of something. But, you cannot mass produce or distribute something. Then they'll come and get you.

    Making a copy of your CSN & Y CD may not be legal, but lo one's looking. It's like driving 80 MPH on the freeway that has a 75 MPH limit. It's not legal, but no one really cares except the Dudley-do-rights of the world. Not even the cops parked on the side of the road care. They're looking for the bigger offenders doing 90 MPH.
     
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  20. Grant

    Grant Now let that bass fall in! Oh yeah!

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    And that's perhaps the best reason to buy used, getting masterings and mixes not currently available through new product.
     
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  21. dumangl

    dumangl Senior Member

    Corn yes, potatoes no.
     
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  22. Grant

    Grant Now let that bass fall in! Oh yeah!

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    United States
    Can you provide a legally legitimate link with the exact United States federal statue for this? Thank you.

    I'm not going to take your interpretations of it. I want to see the actual wording of a legal document.
     
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  23. Grant

    Grant Now let that bass fall in! Oh yeah!

    Location:
    United States
    Well, i'll say Bob Seger's name.
     
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  24. Grant

    Grant Now let that bass fall in! Oh yeah!

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    United States
    Yeah!
    [​IMG]
     
  25. Rfreeman

    Rfreeman Forum Resident

    Location:
    Lawrenceville, NJ
    The statute:
    17 U.S. Code § 117 - Limitations on exclusive rights: Computer programs

    The interpretation of that statute by federal copyright office as something that applies to all digital files not just software
    Copyright and Digital Files (FAQ) | U.S. Copyright Office
     

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