SH Spotlight Ever see an old 1929 electric phonograph with a steel needle in action? Take a look.

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Steve Hoffman, Oct 12, 2017.

  1. "Non-Squashed Dynamics":
    how refreshing!!!

    'I Don't Need No Stinking Brickwall!!'

  2. beccabear67

    beccabear67 Musical Omnivore

    Victoria, Canada
    It starts with enjoying an old 78 record and before you know it you're discovering extreme interpretations of Nietzsche and ordering the tiki torches? :laugh:

    Had a great-uncle beaten to death at a work camp and my own father saw one of his playmates shot in front of him in Holland. Somehow though I'm not thinking this thread is a place to confront these issues.
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  3. RDriftwood

    RDriftwood Vintage Member

    Midwestern US
    Here's a Columbia Grafonola that's dated 1919 on the bottom. I inherited it a several years ago. It's in excellent working condition and in excellent cosmetic condition. It came with a load of 78 rpm records that I am storing outside of the rack in the lower cabinet. It came with tons of extra needles (one box of needles behind the turntable near the left back corner) and an antique record cleaner (in the back right corner behind the turntable). The adjustable shutters on the front function as the volume control. The "horn" behind the shutters looks like a rectangular wooden speaker. Considering what it is, it sounds surprising good and can get louder than you might expect. No electric, hand crank only.

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  4. RDriftwood

    RDriftwood Vintage Member

    Midwestern US
    1919 Columbia Grafonola continued...






  5. TonyCzar

    TonyCzar Forum Resident

    PhIladelphia, PA
    "Rhythmus der Freude"
  6. 2141

    2141 Forum Resident

    Just because it was from Germany does not make it Nazi. Perhaps if you read up on the subject you wouldn't be so disappointed in our host.
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  7. qwerty

    qwerty A resident of the SH_Forums.

    This is the best resource for info on early electronic phono pickups for 78's that I've been able to find:
    Early electric pick-ups for disc gramophone records.

    I have a Collaro 78 turntable with a Bakelite arm and one of these pickups that I have for a restoration project. Does anyone have info where to get the appropriate steel needles, I'm assuming that the needles for the electronic pickup is different size to those used in the older non-electric gramophones.
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  8. delmonaco

    delmonaco Forum Resident

    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Many important technologies and great art were developed and created during different historical dark times and places, so I don't think it's appropriate to be so political in this regard.
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  9. GuildX700

    GuildX700 Forum Resident

    Man, amazing sound........
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  10. bigmikerocks

    bigmikerocks Forum Resident

    How do you reckon the sound on this video was captured, and was there any altering or EQ tweaking? Sounds so great!!
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  11. qwerty

    qwerty A resident of the SH_Forums.

    Steve's post #3 explains that it is an electronic recording. The pickup is an electronic cartridge, and the link I posted above suggests that the output is compatible with a mm phono input (possibly requiring a bit of attenuation).
  12. Colocally

    Colocally One Of The New Wave Boys

    Surrey BC.
    I had something like that in the early 70s as my first too..
  13. BrentB

    BrentB Forum Resident

    Midwestern US
    Well I do understand the initial reaction. As terrible as the movement was, not EVERYTHING the Nazis did was wrong. Same with Communists and so on. We praise Japanese equipment as well. Much of it was developed during and for the war. It's good we can move on and take the few good things that came to be. It certainly does not condone or promote hate of any sort. At least I would like to think so.
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  14. JamieC

    JamieC Forum Resident

    Detroit Mi USA
    Its just silly at this point. Do you see anyone picketing Volkswagon dealerships or harassing owners of the Bug? You DO realize that Hitler was directly responsible for that automobile?
    This entire line of talk is just stupid, and yes my uncles fought in WWII(my dad was too old, but he worked at Willow Run building the planes and my mother worked on parts of THE BOMB).
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  15. AppleCorp3

    AppleCorp3 Forum Resident

    Wow! Great sound. As I acquire more 78s I continue to be marveled by the clarity and dynamics of these recordings.

    What really struck me was the lack of surface noise (relatively speaking of course.)

    “Isadora Duncan worked at telefunken....”
  16. 389 Tripower

    389 Tripower Kids can still rock!!

    Moline, IL USA
    My in-laws have a Victrola in their basement under a bunch of stuff. it looks very similar to the pictures above.
    I never expected it would sound any good - maybe I better hang on to it, and check it out.
  17. Sax-son

    Sax-son Forum Resident

    Three Rivers, CA
    I stand corrected! I didn't see any dates listed other than the date of the machine. However, that music style sounds very American to me. Not exactly a Wagnerian symphony.
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  18. lennonfan1

    lennonfan1 Forum Resident

    baltimore maryland
    with an acoustic Victrola, the soundbox is everything. The Victrola No. 2 model is exceptionally loud.
  19. konut

    konut Prodigious Member. Thank you.

    Whatcom County, WA
    And looking very relaxed, Adolf Hitler on vibes.
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  20. Buddys Dad

    Buddys Dad Forum Resident

    melton mowbray
    This discovery needs is bringing up to modern industry standards.
    A book of photos.
    Out takes.
    12" extended mixes.
    Mono & pseudo stereo mixes.
    Any bits & bobs that were judged too poor to use at the time, but will now make up disc 6.
    A nice big fat box & price to match.
  21. Trashman

    Trashman Forum Resident

    I always wondered how many people were good about changing their steel needles after every play. You know there had to be a lot cheapskates who let the needle go for several plays until they changed it. Just like many people in the 60s didn't change their sapphire needles until they started skipping.

    It's rarely the technology that damages the record. It's usually caused by the consumer who misuses the technology.
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  22. citizensmurf

    citizensmurf Socially distancing lamf since 1977

    Give me a break. This is instrumental music, not some political manifesto. Take your knee jerk reactions to reddit.
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  23. seed_drill

    seed_drill Senior Member

    Tryon, NC, USA
    Did German 78s have the same sharpening agent in the shellac that domestic ones did? I always thought that's what made ours so noisy.

    I'm guessing the tonearm wasn't as heavy as that on acoustic players of the day, though still alarming by contemporary standards.
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  24. seed_drill

    seed_drill Senior Member

    Tryon, NC, USA
    I've got a BWJ 78, but it's trashed. Was afraid it would become moreso if I put it on my Victrola. I only spin common discs on Victrolas.
  25. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

    Thanks for the link. Sounds incredible! What kind of microphone setup would typically be used for a recording like that?

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