EVERY Billboard #1 hit discussion thread 1958-Present

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by alphanguy, Jan 29, 2016.

  1. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    Liberace was clearly the most obvious of the bunch.

    I can see why people bought Mathis and Manilow as straight, but Liberace? :wtf:
     
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  2. WLL

    WLL Popery Of Mopery

    ...Regarding George Michael's image, Wham! were originally presented in a " street credibility " manner, can ya believe it:laugh: - I recall early Sounds? The Face? pieces on Wham! discussing them in an " ethos of funk " manner - taking off from the " Just because I got no job/You can't tell me that I'm not " reference in " Young Guns "...We get few Brits in this line, I guess few could back me up here.
    Wham!'s first album was not on Columbia in the UK, and the label really shook it down for singles,,," Club Tropicana " was also a Brit single from it, with a quite elaborate video that I suppose was never shown in America (I can't post)...and they followed that with a " Megamix " medley single:nauga:!:yikes:
     
  3. Grant

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    Or, maybe they figured he could cure his effemininity by getting a woman.

    I wasn't around in the 50s but i'm sure that's what a lot of people thought back then, akin to the "pray the gay away" mentality.
     
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  4. Grant

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    Well, Barry Manilow was my generation's lite crooner, and I didn't pick on it that he was gay. But, in the 80s, I was worried because when he stated in interviews that he was estranged with his father, people would look at all men who had problems with their fathers and decide that they were also gay. I didn't have a girlfriend in the 80s, and there are still lots of people out there that think that if you don't have a girlfriend by the time you are into your 20s that you must be gay. years ago, I had a dispute with a forum member who thinks that way.
     
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  5. Grant

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    No he didn't. He released the album "A Single Man" in 1978.
     
  6. Grant

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    "Victim Of Love" is a horrible album probably his absolute worst. The cover alone is horrendous. Wasn't that recorded during the worst of his drug addiction?
     
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  7. Grant

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    Interesting theory, but I doubt it. How does it explain the work he did with the Spinners with lead singers Bobby Smith and Philippe Wynne?

    In an ideal world, it's no one's business, and all should be accepted. Back to reality...
     
  8. thecdguy

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    Unfortunately, this seems to be true. There are some people who actually believe that men can't be bisexual, and that if an otherwise straight man "experiments", he's just in denial and has been repressing his "true feelings" all along and is completely gay. But I still have yet to hear anyone say that about women who experiment.
     
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  9. AppleBonker

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    Wake Me Up Before You Go Go

    The first time I saw this video, no kidding, I thought it was a put on.

    It seemed so cheesy, so tacky. The dancing is horrific, and I couldn't decide what they were aiming at with the Choose Life shirts. It felt like some well-meaning but incompetent charity created a PSA to encourage kids to stay in school or eat their vegetables or some such. But because the charity was out of touch with mainstream culture, the song and performance came across all wrong, like an Up With People (remember them?) of the 80s. I couldn't get past the idea that they were trying to sell me some notion I really didn't want to buy. Like that sinking feeling you get when you realize your new friend is trying to convince you to join his/her religious sect as you slowly back away.

    ('Choose Life'? Was choosing death really a viable alternative? They made it tempting).

    I can hear the Motown influence, but did any Motown song ever stoop to the lyrical depths this song did? The 'jitterbug' part was annoying, but the rest of the words were no bonus, either. You put the boom boom into my heart? Rhyming go-go with yo-yo? Oh oh no no....

    George Michael himself struck me as artificial to an uncanny valley degree; he looks like the new wave version of Adam Rich from Eight Is Enough in this video. That kid always bugged the daylights out of me.

    So yeah, I'm not a big fan of this song. Fortunately for Wham!UK (remember that name?), they got a lot better, and after Michael ditched the dead weight (it took me this long to take a dig at Andrew Ridgeley!), better still. But it was an inauspicious start for sure.
     
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  10. AppleBonker

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    Cheapening things is Minaj's specialty.
     
  11. AppleBonker

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    Homosexuality was illegal between men in the UK up until the late 60s (I think), but NOT between women. Not sure what the reasoning was, but it was probably sexist.

    EDIT: one site claims lesbianism was never illegal in the UK because Queen Victoria did not believe women were capable of such things (!). Don't know if that's true, but it is funny regardless to imagine that conversation.
     
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  12. Oatsdad

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    "Blue Moves" came out October 1976.

    "Single Man" came out October 1978.

    It's been a while since I took a math class, but I'm pretty sure that's 2 years!
     
  13. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    I don't think most did. We just weren't as tuned in to that 40-45 years ago as we are now.

    Manilow wasn't manly, but as I recall, he didn't behave in an effeminate way. Sure, he made soppy tunes for suburban women, but that didn't make him "gay".

    I admit I don't think I knew Mathis was gay until this thread! :eek:


    Though I dated some, I didn't have a true girlfriend until I was 29. I just made the cut! :laugh:
     
  14. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    To some degree, women are encouraged to "dabble". It turns on guys and it's viewed as innocent fun.

    Guys experimenting with guys? Not viewed that way at all.

    Funny - about a year ago, I sat next to a gay guy at an Aerosmith concert. I don't know how our conversation went down that path, but I told him I'd never "dabbled" with guys, and he was shocked.

    So maybe male "experimentation" is more common than I thought! :shrug:
     
  15. ARK

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    this reminds me of the following Creed Bratton (of The Grassroots) quote while playing the character Creed Bratton on The Office...

     
  16. AppleBonker

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    I have some vague recollection of reading that Dr. Joyce Brothers herself came up with this theory as to why Liberace was the second most popular singer of the mid-fifties (behind Mr. Presley, whose appeal was quite different).
     
  17. ARK

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    speaking of Wham’s bad rap, here’s “Wham Rap”...
     
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  18. AppleBonker

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    Women who seem butch are more likely to get crap than more feminine gals (ask Martina Navratilova). The rule seems to be: if hetero guys get turned on imagining her with another woman, she gets a pass.
     
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  19. Grant

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    I thought it was an announcement that they were anti-abortion. Not discussing it, just sayin'...

    I'm sure there were a few, but that Doris Day reference in the first verse was probably one of his little hints that no one picked up on.

    Sure he was artificial. That's why he wanted to end Wham! and present himself as a "serious" artist.

    I never really watched "Eight Is Enough". It wasn't part of my generation.:shrug:

    Yup.:agree:
     
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  20. Grant

    Grant Senior Member

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    No, you said he took a two-year break. The end of 1976 and 1978 is not quite two years. Time for you to go back to kindergarten.
     
  21. AppleBonker

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    Re: Choose Life shirts

    I didn't want to go there, but... yeah, that was my first thought, too.
     
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  22. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    So the span from October 1976 to October 1978 doesn't equal 2 years? :wtf:

    Maybe you're being pedantic about the meaning of "break". In this context, it means "Elton went 2 years between albums".

    Which he did, almost to the day! :shh:
     
  23. Grant

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    I disagree. I said before that we were making fun of Elton John and Rod Stewart being gay back in the mid-70s. (No, Stewart is not gay.)

    Exactly, but by the time of his 1978 live album, people started to wonder. I don't recall when it was that I discovered what a bathhouse was. Maybe sometime in the early 80s when the AIDS epidemic was rising?

    I do remember that by 1977, Barbra Streisand somehow became associated with gays. I just remember how it was forbidden for a guy to like her music by that time. I had to enjoy her albums in secret. Later I found out that my father liked Barbra Streisand's music.:laugh:

    Same here! Late bloomers. Hey...aren't bloomers what they used to call training bras?:laugh:
     
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  24. Grant

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    Where does that leave Grace Jones, Annie Lennox, and Joan Jett? :laugh:
     
  25. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    You misunderstand: I don't claim that no one viewed any guys as "gay" back then.

    Just saying that those opinions tended toward guys who were overtly flamboyant - Elton, Rod, Bowie.

    It was obviously wrong in 2 of those 3 cases, but those are guys people thought were gay due to their images.

    Then you had Manilow and Mathis, who were gay but weren't flashy or flamboyant like those others.

    Those are the ones who might've showed signs that people didn't pick up on. :shrug:

    I'd have to defer to older people to indicate what "signs" Mathis displayed, though. He always just seemed like a Perry Como or Andy Williams sort to me - not sure what about him pointed toward his sexual orientation...
     
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