EVERY Billboard #1 hit discussion thread 1958-Present

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by alphanguy, Jan 29, 2016.

  1. sunspot42

    sunspot42 Forum Resident

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    Yeah, the quality of her material was already declining, but she did get blacklisted, and that didn't help matters.
     
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  2. sunspot42

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    Yeah, they wouldn't have really worked with the band's style circa '84, but they were pretty crucial to the early success of Wham! I think.
     
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  3. John54

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    Wake Me Up Before You Go Go is definitely catchy and likeable, so I like it -- but I'm certainly not a big, big fan. I don't have anything by Wham or George Michael, apart from one 45 by the latter that came out a few years later.

    I didn't figure out that George Michael was gay, maybe not until the bust, but I'm not particularly interested in such matters. I'm the kind of person who sometimes hears and retains gossip but I don't pass it on. I never spent time watching music videos to figure out who danced like what.

    In 1984 I was listening to CFNY which had the "alternative" playlist, although if I'm not mistaken it played Wake Me Up ... too. But 1984 was the year I discovered the Smiths via Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now, and other great songs like Hollow Horse by the Icicle Works, which I think is the best song of the decade.

    Anyway, I'll see your George Michael and raise you Morrissey ... :D
     
  4. WLL

    WLL Popery Of Mopery






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    Back then, my father obviously thought the same after seeing the video. He ssid\to the effect of " I don't think artists should say political things ".
     
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  5. Grant

    Grant Senior Member

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    The rest of us do, so why should artists be barred from it?
     
  6. Grant

    Grant Senior Member

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    Yeah. Just because you are an ally doesn't mean you had to have dabbled.
     
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  7. WLL

    WLL Popery Of Mopery






    ...Perhaps he meant more " in their video/product/promo for a non-political song ", he'd probably essentially anyway agree with you there, as far as expressing their opinion went. Just quoting (as best I could) HSL (1924-1999).
     
  8. Grant

    Grant Senior Member

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    Regarding the "Wham Rap" song, that rap goes against everything rap was about in 1984. They're celebrating not having a job when the real rappers were rapping that they couldn't get a job.
     
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  9. Grant

    Grant Senior Member

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    I'm straight, hetero, cis-male, whatever it's called these days. I never experimented or dallied, have never been curious, and frankly, that repels me.

    I remember an incident back in high school in the 70s. I was in the marching band and was sitting next to my best friend on a bus on the way back from an away football game. He fell asleep and rested his head on my shoulder. I didn't think a thing of it until I started getting strange looks from several people and they started gossiping. It got worse when his family got orders to transfer to Okinowa and people saw I was very upset about losing my buddy. Our small group of friends were sympathetic because we lost two friends, actually. The other was a cute girl I had a secret crush on whose family got transferred to Panama. I was even more upset about that because I had known her since kindergarten. Damn I had the hots for her! But, because of that bus thing, I got bullied like crazy for the rest of the year.

    The funny part is that during the early 80s, I wore a jheri perm, which was still very popular among Black men. My sister once told me that I looked prettier than she did, and I got a secret kick out of it. Back then I could totally pull off looking like a female. I had the body for it, too. But, then, I met a girl I was totally crazy about. She rejected me because she thought I looked too feminine. After that, I got rid of the perm and cut my hair, never to do that again! I was so upset that I lost even more weight and kept it off for about 10 years.

    I still had the body, so I still got a kick out of accentuating it. That's probably why my co-workers thought I was gay until I met my then fiance. What made it worse is that it was the time of gangsta rap and street gangs. I lived in a predominantly White area and if you were Black, you had to fit the stereotype of baggy pants, backwards baseball cap, sports clothes, $200 tennis shoes. I didn't wear that stuff.
     
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  10. WLL

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    ...I referred to those early British music press articles on Wham! They discussed 5he " speaking of not bring able to get a job " aspect of " W!R ". The thing I quoted, longer version, " I am a man/Just cuz' O got no job you can't tell me that I'm not ", well, they were saying it against British, not American, culture, and Thatcher, not Reagan...and the perpetually collapsing lower-level British employment scene, this Yank I-can"t-think-of-the-right-word-here;) ____-my observes - I mean, America 36 years later is, perhaps, well:eek:...........
     
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  11. MikeInFla

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    I didn't know it until I read your message 20 seconds ago!
     
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  12. Lance LaSalle

    Lance LaSalle Prince of Swollen Sinus

    The whole "Wham! Rap", song: is a bit of a joke: they are basically bragging about living 'on the dole"and partying all the time and refusing to work: it's a conscious portrait of youthful foolishness, but not without some very big winks at the audience.

    The repeated DHSS (Department of Health and Social Security) motif that repeats throughout the song is the name of the form that people had to fill in in order to collect their weekly allowance from the state.

    It's meant to be kind of punky FU to the prevailing Thatcherite conservative rhetoric of the time -- definitely crafted with humour by a British writer, intended for a British audience and it's meant to be FUNNY and cheeky; not angry.
     
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  13. Grant

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    I just discovered last night that Luther Vandross co-wrote "Fascination" with David Bowie. Vandross wrote the music.
     
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  14. WLL

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    Where does " DHSS " appear:eek:?????
     
  15. Lance LaSalle

    Lance LaSalle Prince of Swollen Sinus

    Throughout the song. In lead vocals and backing vocals. (Department of Health and Social Security.)

    Hey, everybody, take a look at me
    I’ve got street credibility
    I may not have a job but I have a good time
    With the boys that I meet down on the line
    I said, D-H-S-S
    Man the rhythm that they're givin' is the very best
    I said, B one, B two
    Make the claims, on your name, all you have to do
     
  16. pablo fanques

    pablo fanques Somebody's Bad Handwroter

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    Yeah same here. No clue
     
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  17. pablo fanques

    pablo fanques Somebody's Bad Handwroter

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    Wow @Grant I never would have suspected any of that from your posts here. Thanks for sharing. That had to be really tough to go through. Despite all the press bullying gets these days, there’s no doubt that 70’s and 80’s bullies were the WORST
     
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  18. Oatsdad

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    I agree, but my point remains that it's difficult to pin all the blame - or even most of it - on the blacklisting since "Damita Jo" simply wasn't very good.

    And it still went to #2 US and sold more than a million copies! It just didn't have hit singles.

    I believe the album and singles would've done better without the controversy, but I still don't think they would've done substantially better! :shrug:
     
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  19. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    The funny thing about the guy I met at the Aerosmith concert is that he was big into artists loved by gays: Madonna, Janet, Gaga, etc.

    Before I found out "officially" that he was gay, I remember thinking "geez, with musical taste like that, this guy must be gay!"

    And then I thought, "wait - I like all those same artists!" :laugh:

    I think he just assumed a very high percentage of straight guys had "dabbled" - and when you add in my "gay-friendly" elements, I guess that made it more of a surprise to him I'd not done so! :shrug:
     
  20. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    I'm sure it'll run just the same as it did when she was alive - as will her animal rescue foundation.

    Kinda doubt Doris was all that involved in the day-to-day operations of the hotel. Or did you see her changing sheets? ;)
     
  21. Jmac1979

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    Well in the Soundscan age a chart peak doesn't mean much. All of Janet's albums this century have either gone #1 or #2, but some of those albums had very abbreviated chart runs. Damita Jo was off the charts in 3 or 4 months time (Velvet Rope did 77 weeks, All For You did 52), it had no longevity and the sales plummetted rapidly after the first two or three weeks. Definitely a far cry from Control, Rhythm Nation and janet. spending well over a year in the top 40

    It's just like Madonna's Madame X being a #1 album, then falling to #77 in week two and then off the charts completely in week 3
     
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  22. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    You'll note I also mentioned that "Damita Jo" sold more than a million copies US and didn't solely rely on chart data! :shh:
     
  23. Jmac1979

    Jmac1979 Forum Resident

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    Yes but I used to follow Soundscan religiously at the time because the data was very easy to come by back then. There was one poster on another forum who routinely kept up the Soundscan data for the "big four" female artists (Madonna, Janet, Mariah and Whitney). DJ was certified platinum off the bat, but took 4 years until it finally reached 1 million "sales". 20 Y.O. was certified platinum but last I checked was around 700,000 sales and will never come close to what it was certified. Madonna's American Life and Mariah's Glitter are both "platinum" albums too and both are sitting between 600-700k copies in actual units sold.

    But Janet also had albums that are grossly UNDERCERTIFIED. janet. has scanned 7.1 million copies and is still sitting on 6x and All For You is past 3 million in scans and is still just certified double platinum. Control and Rhythm Nation hit pre-Soundscan but I also wouldn't put it past them to both being above 5 and 6 million copies as well.
     
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  24. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

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    Point remains... the album sold relatively well and didn't flop! It wasn't the commercial disaster it's been made out to be over the last 16 years...
     
  25. Jmac1979

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    Well Janet herself was unsatisfied with the results enough to cancel a tour she had planned in 2004 (and she did the same with 20 YO, initial copies actually came with ticket presale codes when she'd announce her next tour).

    Anyways, the irony being we're talking about Elton and Janet's bouts of commercial "suicide", and we're on Wham.

    We too could use the same argument with George Michael, someone whose popularity stateside had been in drastic decline throughout the 90s and then pretty much was never able to rebound again after his 1998 bathroom bust. Just like Elton and Janet, one could argue George's fortunes were already declining (Older had two top 10 singles, but it certainly didn't set the world on fire, at least not in the US, overseas it was as big as Faith), but he never had a top 100 appearance again for the rest of his life (Last Christmas recharts every December along with Mariah, Brenda Lee and a few others, but that's a different story) after the way he was outed to the world.
     
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