EVERY Billboard #1 rhythm & blues hit discussion thread

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  1. CliffL

    CliffL Forum Resident

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    Great song...I bought this one by Aretha in 1973. I only heard it played on FM rock stations, in my case KZAP in Sacramento California.
     
  2. Manapua

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    Yeah, for whatever reason it wasn't embraced by the public to any significant degree reaching only into the mid 30s. Granted, it wasn't the usual funk workout or gospel ballad most came to expect from her but it did show her stretching her talent into other styles just like the Hey Now Hey album did.
     
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  3. W.B.

    W.B. The Collector's Collector

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    A Shelley Products pressing (with 'LY' matrix suffix on the label) of "Master Of Eyes" was in the record collection of the summer camp I stayed in for the summer in the better part of the late '70's. The label of the A side was trashed, I seem to recall, with the B side label - for "Moody's Mood For Love" - more intact in that regard.
     
  4. W.B.

    W.B. The Collector's Collector

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    As we wait for the next #1 to be examined, let us look at a novelty "break-in" record aimed at the soul market that came out around this time - "Super Fly Meets Shaft" by John & Ernest (co-produced and co-written by the King of Break-Ins, Dickie Goodman):

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    In order (those that didn't make #1 here linked in the text below) are:
    - "S.O.S. (Stop Her On Sight)" by Winfield Parker (notice the credit on vocal arrangements - one Dione Gamble; this appears to be the lass best known as Dee Dee Sharp, at the time married to Kenny Gamble of the Gamble/Huff producing and writing duo)
    - "I Got Ants In My Pants (And I Want To Dance) Part 1" by James Brown (three portions heard within this piece)
    - "Papa Was A Rollin' Stone" by The Temptations (two portions heard in the course therein)
    - "Keeper Of The Castle" by The Four Tops (their first Dunhill single)
    - "Me And Mrs. Jones" by Billy Paul (three segments played within this number)
    - "I'll Be Around" by The Spinners
    - "Theme From Shaft" by Isaac Hayes (two snippets played)
    - "Back Stabbers" by the O'Jays
    - "Could It Be I'm Falling In Love" by the Spinners
    - "Love Train" by the O'Jays
    - "Freddie's Dead (Theme From 'Superfly')" by Curtis Mayfield
    - "Daddy's Home" by Jermaine Jackson
    - "Superfly" by Curtis Mayfield (a continuous loop from which constituted "Part Two," the original B side of this - which Mayfield sued over to have removed; it was replaced as the flip by an instrumental called "Problems")
     
  5. Grant

    Grant A 60s, 70s & 90s Lovin' Musical Free-Spirit

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    Just thought i'd take a short break.
     
  6. troggy

    troggy Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow

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    Yes, have the single with "Problems" on the flipside. I'm glad that I have it because it's a pretty great instro.
     
  7. Grant

    Grant A 60s, 70s & 90s Lovin' Musical Free-Spirit

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    Next #1:

    Neither One Of Us (Want's To Be The First To Say Goodbye) - Gladys Knight & The Pips



    I certainly heard this song in 1973, but it somehow got past me. It just didn't register on my radar.
     
  8. SITKOL'76

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    See my post in the Hot 100 thread

    EVERY Billboard #1 hit discussion thread 1958-Present

    "Lol, before we get into full deciphering mode I would like to give a shout-out to a great song that was stuck at #2 behind 'The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia'. Gladys Knight & The Pips 'Neither One Of Us'.



    A subtle and soulful vocal by Gladys Knight, and the first of many consecutive hits forGladys Knight & The Pips during these years.

    Coincidentally after being blocked by a song with 'Georgia' in it's title, the group would go on to score their own #1 hit with a song that also has 'Georgia' in it's title later this same year."

    Surprised your not a fan Grant!!!
     
  9. W.B.

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    It certainly didn't "sound Motown," for sure - but this was after the company completed their move from Detroit to L.A. Which is where this was recorded, with quite a few "Wrecking Crew" members. A link can be seen here with all the names; but I'll try to decipher who played what (some attributed instruments may be wrong):
    - Arrangers: Artie Butler, Michael Omartian
    - Trumpet: John Audino, Chuck Findley
    - Trombone: Dick Hyde, Lew McCreary
    - French horn: David A. Duke
    - Woodwinds: Gene Cipriano, William Green
    - Keyboards: Lincoln Mayorga, Mike Melvoin, Michael Omartian
    - Guitar: Larry Carlton
    - Bass: Reinhold Press
    - Drums(?): John Guerin
    - Percussion(?): Victor Feldman
    - Harp: Stella Castellucci
    - Violin: Israel Baker, Harry Bluestone, Assa Drori, James Getzoff, William Kurasch, Archie Levin, Ralph Schaeffer, Sidney Sharp, Tibor Zelig, Shari Zippert
    - Viola: Myer Bello, Philip Goldberg, Harry Hyams, Gareth Nuttycombe
    - Cello: Joseph DiTullio, Armand Kaproff, Ray Kelley, Raphael Kramer
    - ?: Vincent Bartold, Josephine Dapar, Ann Popperwell, Robert Ross
    I've long loved it. Why this was kept from the pop top spot by a Carol Burnett Show regular is one of those questions that may possibly never be answered . . . but do any of those names sound like they toiled in The Funk Brothers? :winkgrin:

    However, this was not to be the last time that Ms. Knight and her Pips would record a Jim Weatherly song . . .
     
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  10. Grant

    Grant A 60s, 70s & 90s Lovin' Musical Free-Spirit

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    Where my homies at?
     
  11. sunspot42

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    Seems kinda generic, in spite of a killer band. The "neither one of us" bit is the only thing I remember from this song.
     
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  12. W.B.

    W.B. The Collector's Collector

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    This record's producer, Joe Porter, was also responsible for producing The Free Movement's biggest hit (and, as it turned out, their only single on Decca), "I've Found Someone Of My Own," in 1971.

    Another example of how Motown wasn't in Kansas, er Detroit anymore: The lacquers for "Neither One Of Us" were cut by The Mastering Lab. Which also mastered the said Free Movement 45.
     
  13. W.B.

    W.B. The Collector's Collector

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    What "homies," I ask - The Funk Brothers, perhaps?
     
  14. W.B.

    W.B. The Collector's Collector

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    But it does seem to underscore why, at the 1974 Grammys, this won Best Pop Vocal by a Group, whereas another big hit of theirs from later in the year (after they switched labels) won for best R&B performance, though both songs did well on both charts.
     
  15. Grant

    Grant A 60s, 70s & 90s Lovin' Musical Free-Spirit

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    No, the other thread participants.
     
  16. W.B.

    W.B. The Collector's Collector

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    I was gonna say . . . "Superstition" gets to #1, everybody floods to it. Ditto for "Could It Be I'm Falling In Love" or "Love Train." A universal hit like this or "Why Can't We Live Together" - except for myself, @SITKOL'76 and @sunspot42, crickets chirping in the background. Sheesh. Almost feel like Johnny Carson recounting in his opening monologues how one of his jokes went down like a lead balloon while another within the same monologue garnered huge gales of laughter.

    And way a contrast to the massive enthusiastic response to these numbers when they were out and hit their respective summits.
     
  17. Grant

    Grant A 60s, 70s & 90s Lovin' Musical Free-Spirit

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    Maybe they think R&B was too exclusive or something. I dunno...
     
  18. SITKOL'76

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    Midnight Train is R&B, Neither One Of Us, is like adult contemporary-ish I think. Maybe the Grammy voters decided to categorize them differently. Both were big hits though, but MTTG is a signature song for them.
     
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  19. sunspot42

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    Gladys delivers an R&B vocal, but the track itself is kinda generic I agree. Another puzzler at the #1 position. You have "Call Me" by Al Green and "Ain't No Woman (Like The One I've Got)" by the Four Tops on the charts, as well as "Break Up To Make Up" by the Stylistics. All absolute, unforgettable classics. This cut? Meh.

    Seems like the R&B charts are having the same problem the pop charts were having. Maybe everybody was rushing out to buy Al Green's albums?
     
  20. Black Thumb

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    I like "Neither One of Us". Nobody delivers a tear-your-heart-out ballad like Gladys. The arrangement is tasteful and appropriately lush, but I can do without that "sproingy" guitar that inflicts so much music from this era. (What creates that anyway, a Wah-Wah pedal? A Leslie speaker?)

    If you really want a gut punch, listen to this song from the same album in which the incomparable Ms. Knight sings as an abandoned mother:

     
  21. SITKOL'76

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    During this time Gladys Knight & The Pips couldn't do much wrong as far as the charts were concerned, outside of Stevie Wonder & Marvin Gaye I don't think any other Soul/R&B act was having as much crossover success. They later got the chance to really spread their wings after they let Motown.

    The parent album for 'Neither One Of Us' was a top 10 album, and the following year (1974), their Imagination album was one of the top 10 selling albums on the BB YE Chart.

    I think some of their later hits are stronger as well 'Midnight Train' and 'On and On' come to mind.
     
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  22. SITKOL'76

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    My favorite part of the song is towards the end when she sings 'Neither One Of Us' then repeats it followed by a 'Woo', I don't know why but that part really gets me. You could tell she was giving a lot in the studio and I like that.
     
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  23. W.B.

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    Around the time this peaked, Soul Records put out another Pips' single, the more uptempo "Daddy Could Swear, I Declare."
     
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  24. Grant

    Grant A 60s, 70s & 90s Lovin' Musical Free-Spirit

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    I don't see where the charts were having any problems. And, again, people were not abandoning 45s the way some of you make it out to be.

    One of my favorites, too. Motown indeed released quite a few fine singles from Gladys Knight & The Pips, but they just never really crossed over. The group made a quick exit from the label and immediately went to Buddah. Their first single for their new home was "Where Peaceful Water's Flow" charted just one month later. It's hard to say exactly why their Motown singles or albums just didn't cross over as much. Perhaps the public was just sick of the "Motown Sound" at this point. The hardcore Motown fans lament it, but the times were changing, which was the theme of the 70s.
     
  25. Grant

    Grant A 60s, 70s & 90s Lovin' Musical Free-Spirit

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    Next up:

    Masterpiece - The Temptations



    This record had a long shelf life. I like it, and think the edited version is perfect. But, this is one song where Norman Whitfield's ego got the best of him. It seems like the vocals took the back seat in his grandiose production.

    It seems we already kinda discussed this out of order (my fault) two pages ago). I don't always look ahead to see what song is coming up next.
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