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Films where they got exactly the right actor

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by Sordel, Oct 27, 2020.

  1. bmasters9

    bmasters9 Forum Resident

    Fountain Inn, SC
    Redford and Hoffman as Woodward and Bernstein, in All The President's Men
  2. Jazzmonkie

    Jazzmonkie Forum Resident

    Tempe, AZ
    I always thought Val Kilmer did Doc Holiday as if William Powell was doing him.
  3. extravaganza

    extravaganza Forum Resident

    San Diego, CA USA
    Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there.
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  4. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    Magic-Anthony Hopkins
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  5. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    he was fabulous! I'll be you're huckleberry! the best line ever!
  6. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    Sylvester Stallone-The Rocky Franchise...
  7. Hyacinth House

    Hyacinth House Forum Resident

    Daniel Day Lewis - There Will Be Blood

    Dennis Hopper - Blue Velvet

    Sterling Hayden - Dr. Strangelove

    Michael Madsen - Reservoir Dogs
  8. Fastnbulbous

    Fastnbulbous Doubleplus Ungood

    Washington DC USA
    This is what I was going to post. Very underappreciated film and performance.

    I'll add Malcolm McDowall in "A Clockwork Orange". Impossible to see any other actor in that role.
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  9. O Don Piano

    O Don Piano Senior Member

    But it was true that judge already decided the case outcome long before the trial. Inexcusable, unfair, and sadly typical and uncomfortably reflective of contemporary times. So I will respectfully disagree with you on that end.
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  10. SMcFarlane

    SMcFarlane Forum Resident

    What immediately came to mind was:
    1. The Bourne Identity - Matt Damon
    2. Amelie - Audrey Tautou
  11. Timeless Classics

    Timeless Classics Senior Member

    Kevin Costner as Crash Davis. Perfect age for the role. Very believable as a minor leaguer - the right build for 80s baseball and very athletic, and had a unique cockiness in a funny and wise sort of way, which goes with Costner's dry wit personality (especially if you've ever seen some of his interviews). The chemistry he had with Robbins and Sarandon sold the film as one of the best sports movies of all-time.

    That arrogance Costner is able to bring to role fits the final scene between Crash and Nuke, with Crash giving him final piece of advice: “You be cocky and arrogant, even when you’re getting beat. That’s the secret. You gotta play this game with fear and arrogance.”

    The backstory: "Though Costner already had been cast as the lead, he insisted on proving to Shelton that he could actually mash. After downing a couple of vodkas together one afternoon, the director and star headed to a miniature golf course on Van Nuys Boulevard in Los Angeles. Tucked between fake castles and an arcade was a batting cage. “We put a bunch of quarters in the slot,” Shelton said. Costner, who played high school baseball, proceeded to hit from both sides of the plate. He and Shelton next played catch in the parking lot. “People were walking by him all the time,” the latter said. “They didn’t know who he was yet.”
  12. But nobody gnaws on the scenery like Pacino.

    "Eye wan' my jooman rice!"

    "We go ta war."

    I'm pondering who ever did a convincing role as a Cuban, anyway. Anyone in The Godfather trilogy? Nobody rises to mind.
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  13. I was damn near a wannabe baby Yippie as a teenager in 1972. But upon review of the primary source material, and after considerable pondering and reflection, I've gotten to share that opinion. Judge Julius Hoffman was a very patient man, and not without wit of his own. It was simply displayed more drily than the adolescent antics of some of the defendants.

    I do think Julius should have granted Bobby Seale's request for his own lawyer right off, without putting him through all the drama. But as for Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman- sure, tie them both to chairs and gag them, instead of Seale. The baseline narrative of the prosecution case was terrible, though. "Conspiracy"? Conspiracy requires some amount of commonly agreed organization. The Chicago 7/8 had neither common participation or recognizable organization.

    The Jerry&Abbie "guerilla theater" show had its moments. But it set a bad precedent, or maybe it drew on bad precedents. And tactically, their counterparts on the other extreme have proved all too able at doing their own version. Although in either case, in terms of popular appeal it gets to be self-marginalizing very fast. And as for effective results, nothing. Except, perhaps, in terms of enshrinement in ideologically partisan mythology.

    Well, daggone it, I done digressed again.
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  14. Philip Seymour Hoffman, as Bachman in A Most Wanted Man

    Jack Black in High Fidelity

    Kim Bassinger in LA Confidential

    Jeff Bridges in Crazy Heart
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  15. rikki nadir

    rikki nadir Gentleman Thug

    London, UK
    I don't see that at all.

    Although there are a couple of movies where William Powell is exactly the right actor. The Thin Man for one.

    I don't see Val Kilmer as The Thin Man. Nor anyone else.

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  16. Grand_Ennui

    Grand_Ennui Forum Resident

    Charlton Heston in "Planet of the Apes"
    Clint Eastwood in "Dirty Harry"
    John Wayne in "The Shootist"
  17. the real pope ondine

    the real pope ondine Forum Resident


    just re-watched it, i agree, also the supporting cast, esp martin balsam, jack warden, perfect weathered newspaper men
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  18. MrCJF

    MrCJF Best served with coffee and cake.

    United Kingdom
    Martin Landau as Bela Lugosi in "Ed Wood"

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  19. Sordel

    Sordel Forum Resident Thread Starter

    I'm a big fan of The Talented Mr. Ripley, where I think every single actor gives the best performance of their career: Matt Damon, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Jude Law, Cate Blanchett, Jack Davenport, Philip Baker Hall but especially Gwyneth Paltrow (an actor whom I don't generally rate) who managed to find just the right blend of self-assurance, fragility and anxiety. The movie is pretty much a masterclass in casting.
  20. Phil147

    Phil147 Forum Resident

    York UK
    Don't forget Jason Robards as Ben Bradlee as well. Another perfect casting, although apparently the real Ben Bradlee had wanted George C. Scott to play him...
  21. the real pope ondine

    the real pope ondine Forum Resident

    i figured he was a given! lol all the bit parts are really good too
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  22. Miriam

    Miriam Forum Resident

    Everyone in Kubrick's version of Lolita. Especially Peter Sellers.

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  23. spencer1

    spencer1 Great Western Forum Resident

    Respectfully, baloney.
    It was an example of egregious judicial bias from the get go. One decision from the bench after another favoring the prosecution. From disallowing Ramsey Clark’s testimony to allowing Mayor Daley’s but limiting the defense’s questioning of him.
    “Very patient man” is the last thing I would use to describe Hoffman. Incredibly biased would be more accurate.

    There’s a reason all of the convictions and contempt citations were reversed and thrown out.
    The Seventh Circuit found “deprecatory and often antagonistic attitude toward the defense is evident in the record from the very beginning. It appears in remarks and actions both in the presence and the absence of the jury”.

    In the end Hoffman refused to retire and had to be removed from the bench. Big surprise.

    In 1972 I was a voting member of society with a brother just returned from Vietnam. I was very politically aware and glued to the show.
    Like all humans I had bias of my own but I wasn’t on the Bench where bias is supposed to be put away.
    Hoffman didn’t even pretend to put bias away, he showed contempt for the defense from the beginning.

    I do love John Prine name checking him in “Illegal Smile”.
    Screw Hoffman, he got the legacy he deserved.

    Now back to the movies ... ;)
  24. Jerry and Abbie made it easy for him. They acted like they were guilty, when they weren't. The contempt was mutual. In their case, not just personal contempt, contempt for the "Amerikan" judicial system. The system that eventually overturned their convictions, in point of fact. I think that the American court system has an uneven track record, and it's gotten overloaded to the point of committing ghastly abuses. But not in their case. I don't think it's whatboutism to point out that the Chicago 7 got a more fair and public trial with more civil liberties protections than they would have received in a lot of other countries I could name.

    It was a circus, okay. And yes, the bottom line is that they were not guilty of the charges.
  25. Strat-Mangler

    Strat-Mangler Personal Survival Daily Record-Breaker

    One of the most criminally underrated or unknown movies. Terrific through and through.

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