Just unwrapped a brand new 2009 reissue of Fleetwood Mac Rumors 0 9362-49793-5 7 (pressed at Pallas) and to my surprise, especially since I’ve read that people feel it’s an excellent pressing, that there is a very loud whirring noise (side 1) on low passages, especially audible in the lead in groove and in between tracks. It sounds like a whooshing windy noise, similar to the noise an ultrasound makes. Ironically, I came to purchase this record from a record shop after returning an older 70’s used pressing of rumors because it was warped and the stylus was being thrown out of the groove. He suggested just getting a new pressing and so I did. He said he had not had any complaints and has sold a lot of them. Of course, I would be the lucky one. The music itself sounds very rich with a lot of weight. But I sure as hell am not happy with the whirring wind noise on quiet passages. It’s unacceptable. The shop isn’t nearby so now I’m more annoyed I have to make a trip to return it. At this point I don’t want to exchange it for another, because I’ll loose it if I have to go back there for another bad pressing. Anyone else who has this pressing hear what I’m hearing? What are the odds that I’ll get another noisy one? Can anyone confirm if they hear this windy whirring noise? It’s lile surface noise but with peaks and valleys. It’s highly intrusive. :-( I’m starting to think I’m just meant to enjoy the CD and call it a day.
Hi Sorry about that, I know how you feel Nice clean originals are everywhere That record sold like crazy I got a minty first pressing for a buck I see a dopy every time I go to the thrifts Check 'em out and off the Pallas on craigslist Kenny
Yeah, what gives? How does a pressing get such rave reviews and still have such issues? I listened to side 2, and it doesn’t have any whirring sound, but has pops and clicks and a couple of shhhhh sounds in between tracks. Not impressed. Are those people who are impressed using potato styli and coconut speakers? J/K ;-)
Hi Maybe they know that records are like cigars If you want "sterility" go digital Maybe records aren't for you? Kenny
Kenny, please allow me to clarify. When I say “I’m not impressed”, (in this particular situation) I’m not talking about the sound quality or mastering of the actual music, I’m talking about not being impressed by the quality control of the disc manufacturing itself. I’m fully aware of the sonic flavor / differences between digital and vinyl. From what I’ve read, and I’m not the only one that feels this way, I’ve read several reports of people stating that modern pressings leave a lot to be desired in the quality control department. My Rumors LP has a funky spindle hole, jagged edges and came with some bonus vinyl shavings in the jacket. I know that vinyl isn’t the main form of media anymore, but there needs to be some pride of workmanship if you’re going to put out a niche product, which In 2021, vinyl is. If we’re going to spend premium money on fresh pressings, we should get a premium product. I don’t think that’s very fair, and on the verge of being disrespectful to the consumer. The production on the disc can sound incredible, and you might be able tell a lot of work went into the mastering, but if there is a constant whirring sound over an otherwise beautiful signal, it makes it less enjoyable, and it doesn’t make me want to listen, and what’s the point in that? I never said I wanted sterile sound, but when a pressing is hyped up and everyone is saying that it sounds excellent, it’s a let down when you get yours home to find it making very invasive wooshing sounds. The truth is, most of the vintage vinyl I have sounds better than much of the fresh vinyl I’ve recently bought, and that’s a shame.
Is this the Hoffman mastering? Shame his work is represented on poor manufacturing. I never picked it up (Already have great sounding (non sterile) digital mastering's I enjoy)
I have the 33 and the 45 rpm. My 33 does have a few light tics, but nothing like what is being described here. My 45 is dead silent, not a stray tic. I do clean all new vinyl, although many members here don’t. Pallas pressings are top notch in my experience, its not the norm to get a bad one.
I’m not sure if it’s the Hoffman mastering. The details are listed in my original post. And I agree, poor manufacturing isn’t doing the production any favors. :-(
I’m not sure what I’m going to do. I think I’m just going to return the record tomorrow to the mom and pop shop I bought it from and buy some more used vinyl with the credit. I’ll try my luck on Amazon instead, this way it’s easier to return, and I can save myself and the record shop any aggravation if in fact his whole stock has that same defect. Apparently, there are two versions of this reissue, one made in the USA, and one made in Germany. The one that says made in Germany seems to be the one with the “issues”. Both versions have a hype sticker that says Pallas on it.
Mine is clean as well. I think most people on this Forum who gave the album rave reviews have the first pressings which would have come out in 2011 or 2012. You say you have a 2009 reissue. Is that a typo and you mean 2019? I think you have a more recent reissue, which most other people on the Forum would not own since they bought it when it first came out. I would recommend returning the one you bought and seek an original pressing that is open and play tested by a reliable seller. They might go for a premium though.
That doesn’t sound right either. The German pressing didn’t say “Pallas” on the sticker. The German pressing had a sticker with four sharp corners, and was tightly shrink wrapped. The US (Hoffman) pressing had a sticker with rounded corners and came in a loose plastic bag. Only the US version will have SH and KPG initials in the dead wax.
Man I want to go back to that world. Around here VG copies sell for around $20-$40. Found a clean original Monarch recently for 15 and thought it was a steal
Hi Thrift store don't know "VG" from M&Ms Take a road trip and hit the thrifts, fleas You'll wind up with 10 copies. 3 of 'em NM- All day long Kenny
Here’s the Discogs link for the 2009 reissue. The label says Made in Germany. I don’t see Pallas mentioned. Fleetwood Mac – Rumours (2009, Vinyl)
That is a steal. I don't think that people know how much the vinyl market has changed in the last 12-24 months. I doubt that there has been a Discogs sale of a VG+ or better Rumours below $20 or so.
I assumed the OP was was referring to the SH/KPG pressing, didn’t catch it was a 2009 version which I have never heard. If it’s not the SH/KPG mastering I would return it.
Lets see some photos of the gold sticker on the front, and tell us what you see in the dead wax. So let me get this straight, you went into a store bought a used open record and didn't look at it? If you did look at it I don't know why you didn't see that it was warped, a warp so big it throws your arm around. Actually it's the other way around, and the people who tend to have trouble 70% of the time it's their equipment. No both version have similar gold stickers but one says Pallas and the other doesn't. Yes the one from Germany is not the one you want, you want the one for the US market Pallas US Pallas USA Profile: American vinyl record manufacturer, with print, finishing and assembly facilities. Pallas USA is a strategic partnership between Pallas, Germany and Furnace MFG, USA formed to cater to markets in North America. The vinyl is still pressed by Pallas in Diepholz, Germany on Pallas USA's dedicated presses (Toolex Alpha.) Vinyl that were manufactured through the Pallas USA partnership are stamped with a 'P.USA' in the vinyl runout area. When adding LCCNs for vinyl records with 'P.USA' in the runouts, please add: Manufactured by: Pallas USA Good luck with that... The problem is no mater if it's your local store or online these two different records have the same catalog number and bar code. Even when a store orders this title they can get one or the other, or both in their order. If you buy off Amazon they will ship you what ever they grab and there is no way for you to know what you'll get. I have a feeling your confused with this title and you did not get the US Pallas copy.
This is not what you think it is, not the KG & SH nor pressed at Pallas This is your barcode Country: Europe Released: 2011 Fleetwood Mac – Rumours (2011, Vinyl) Lacquer Cut At – Optimal Media Production – BB33893 Pressed By – Optimal Media Production – BB33893 Lacquer Cut By – HL* And here Country: Europe Released: 2020 Fleetwood Mac – Rumours (2020, Vinyl) Pressed By – Optimal Media GmbH – BB33893 Lacquer Cut By – HL* (tracks: A1 to A6), KR (3) (tracks: B1 to B5)
How about an apology to the ones before you trying to guid you into a good record. The only problem is your not paying attention to what your buying be it new or used.