This is an updated version (Ver. 2) of this original thread: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=134864 Overview of changes in this version FGTR: EAC data added for DCC and Disky versions of From Genesis To Revelation; Trespass: THIRD mastering identified; EAC data for Japanese Black Triangle, Japanese Big Artist and MCA Canada versions of Trespass added; Cryme: THIRD mastering identified; EAC data added for V/C Megastore, V/C West German and Atlantic versions of Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot: EAC data added for two different V/C no country versions of Foxtrot; Live: question raised whether Versions 3 and 4 of Live are related to each other, addition of new comments by Raf; Selling: EAC data for Japanese Black Triangle with incorrect track start added and explanation provided for different levels reported for Atlantic version of Selling England By The Pound; Lamb: EAC data added for V/C West German, Japanese Black Triangle, Japanese VJD, unknown V/C, Atco RE-1 and Atco Canada versions of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway; discussion of incorrect and ‘corrected’ track start for Broadway Melody Of 1974 added; Trick: EAC data added for Atco US, Atco Canada, Charisma Yellow Rays, Japanese Black Triangle and Japanese VJD versions of A Trick Of The Tail; correction made with regard to sound quality of West German Blue Face; Wind: NEW (?) mastering identified, two other masterings found to be EQ’d clones; EAC data added for West German Sonopress, US Atco (WEA) and Japanese Black Triangle versions of Wind & Wuthering; confirmation of pre-emphasis on Sonopress-made discs; Seconds Out: THIRD (?) mastering identified; EAC data added for US Atlantic, Japanese Black Triangle and Japanese VJD versions; ATTWT: West German Blue Face V/C was found to be identical to West German Target and Yellow Rays, but the Japanese Black Triangle was found to be a unique mastering; EAC data added for Charisma West German Yellow Rays, V/C West German Blue Face and Japanese VJD versions of And Then There Were Three; Duke: EAC data added for Atlantic Canada version of Duke; notes added about use of ‘V/C’ with regard to West German Yellow Rays pressing and channel reversal issue with this same pressing; Abacab: EAC data added for West German Blue Swirl, West German (for Japan) Red/Orange Swirl, JVC Japan and Atlantic Gold versions of Abacab; 3SL: EAC data added for V/C PDO, UK and West German Blue Swirl and Orange Swirl versions of Three Sides Live; correction of Raf’s Vertigo Disc 1; note added on V/C Disc 2 track start error; information added for Genesis, Invisible Touch and We Can’t Dance albums. A short note about Japanese Black Triangle discs Some of the early Japanese discs with catalog numbers beginning 32VD for single discs and 28VD for 2CD sets have been found to be derived from the respective V/C Nimbus versions, and in the first version of this thread, where data comparisons had not been done, it was assumed that all Black Triangles were related to the V/C Nimbus editions. This has been found to be incorrect, and some Black Triangles are unique masterings. The current breakdown is as follows: V/C Nimbus-based: Nursery Cryme; Foxtrot; Selling England By The Pound; The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway; A Trick Of The Tail; Duke; Invisible Touch Unique Mastering: Trespass; And Then There Were Three Unknown: Live; Wind & Wuthering; Seconds Out; Abacab; Three Sides Live; Genesis; We Can’t Dance; The Way We Walk Introduction This thread is a response to recent and on-going discussions on the forum about early CD versions of the Genesis catalog, i.e., it is concerned with all CD versions released BEFORE the Definitive Edition Re-masters (DE) in 1994. The information contained here is drawn from the following threads: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=47469 http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=105179 http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=131883 http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=134864 The scope here is to try to identify all the various versions that the forum has uncovered, but, given that the above threads run to over 80 pages, some posts of the type "Version X is identical to my Version Y" may have been missed. If your contribution is missing, it was not deliberate. The reference point for all discussions is the Nimbus-made version on the Virgin/Charisma label (where that information is available, it is presented first). This will be referred to as V/C Nimbus. Similarly, other V/C versions will be identified by their manufacturer. This thread will, hopefully, highlight the problem of simply referring to a generic ‘V/C’ version for some titles. Due to the large amount of data, separate posts will be made for each album in chronological order. In order to keep things as compact as possible, certain members' contributions are identified using the following abbreviations: And = Andreas BE = Black Elk chia = chiagerald Dr. M = Dr. Merkwürdigli Geoff = RayistaGeoff Great = Great Deceiver hat = hatfield HiFi = HiFi Guy 008 Jamie = Jamie Tate Jeff = Jeff Carney kev = kevin5brown LP6 = LesPaul666 maf = mafru2 nemo = nemosonic yes = yesstiles Please POST in this thread if: you have EAC data for a pressing that is not listed (be it the same as a listed version or unique); you find any errors in the data; you feel your quoted view has been misrepresented; you have contributions for the post Three Sides Live albums. Please DO NOT POST in this thread if: you disagree with the group opinions. If your preference is different, the place to post your viewpoint is the main discussion thread (http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=131883); you want to discuss the DE or 2007 re-masters. This thread is intended to identify versions of the early CDs only. If you prefer the DE or 2007 re-masters, again, please express your viewpoint in the main discussion thread linked above or in the new album-by-album thread (http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=134708). To make it easy for forum members to find the information, please hold off on adding anything to the thread until all the posts up to The Way We Walk have appeared. Finally, a public thank you to forum member Raf for not only undertaking much of the analysis work but also performing editing and review duties behind the scenes. The following represents the contributions and opinions of this forum’s members, so thanks to you all for taking the time to share.