Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

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  1. LivingForever

    LivingForever Forum Arachibutyrophobic

    Ahhhh, One for the Vine . My first true love...

    :love:
     
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  2. wildstar

    wildstar Senior Member

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    Well, you never know since the remixes have been so widely panned across the internet for the brickwalling and the incorrect/alt elements used in the mixes (wrong vocals, missing or alternate overdubs used, etc...). They may bring the original mixes back. They wouldn't be the first. I'm aware of at least two fairly high profile examples one of which escapes me at the moment and the other is John Lennon. All his albums were remixed (with the original mixes going OOP) Then a decade or so later they hyped up the reinstatement of the original mixes (sold together in a box set, and also available individually). Like I said someone else did almost exactly the same thing, but...ah...its on the tip of my tongue (or I guess tip of my fingers) but I can't quite remember who at the moment.

    Anyway the fact that the original mixes went OOP either isn't true, isn't true everywhere, or they've got a ton of unsold stock still sitting on record store shelves, because the chain record store in my town still has plenty of the circa 1994 'Definitive Edition Remasters" in stock - over a decade since they were supposed to go OOP. :shrug:
     
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  3. abzach

    abzach Forum Resident

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    ... so over night this thread has turned into the usual boring negativists vs. positivists fight, how lame...
     
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  4. Eleventh Earl of Mar

    Eleventh Earl of Mar Somehow got them all this far.

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    It's the mastering unfortunately.

    I've listened to like 5 different copies of Wind and Wuthering and I've settled on the 1994 edition. And it's not the best thing in the world. That ATCO Trick however is great... no idea. The next album... yeah I've long given up on that one, I believe no decent sounding version exists on the planet at this point :(
     
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  5. abzach

    abzach Forum Resident

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    Get a 70's European vinyl.
     
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  6. Eleventh Earl of Mar

    Eleventh Earl of Mar Somehow got them all this far.

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    I mean you can, but it's not really a solution.

    That's still not close to the dynamics of Trick though. Even comparing both LP releases, Trick is leaps and bounds better than Wind.
     
  7. abzach

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    It's the best solution there is.
     
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  8. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Your Own Special Way
    Written by Rutherford we have a lilting swaying ballad/love song which really does have a really nice melody. We start off with a really nice guitar figure and Collins coming in with the vocal. It's a pretty vocal from Collins as well. The first chorus comes in just before the 1:30 mark and it is augmented with some nice little riffs and it is also very well paced, they aren't rushing the words out. Also the backing vocals are very nicely arranged and work very well in the verses.
    We have a key change that moves into a very nice little keyboard section, and a solo electric piano at that too. The emphasis here is on subtlety. We move back around to the original key and into the last verse and Chorus.
    I know some folks say this song is overly long, but the mellow pace and the swaying 6 beat feel make it seem a little shorter than it is to me. I think it works well, but it is somewhat different from most of the album, and perhaps with the album being generally more mellow, it makes it seem like too much for some.
    This isn't a favourite song or anything like that, but it certainly isn't bad, and it does fit into this album well, in a musical context.
     
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  9. abzach

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    Your Own Special Way - the weakest track on the album, meaning like almost as good as anything they did in the rest of their career (we're getting close now ;) ) Saved by the instrumental mid section, which is quite beautiful.
     
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  10. mx20

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    Tony's only use of Fender Rhodes electric piano, right? (Not counting the artificial Rhodes sound on I Can't Dance)

    I don't love this song! If it were waaaaaay shorter, I would gladly tolerate it in a "look, they're evolving as songwriters!" kinda way. But this song outstays its welcome by many minutes. And that keyboard interlude is dreadful. I always felt Rutherford & Co. we're trying to pull one over on their diehard "prog" fans with this song; it comes across (IMO) as disingenuous. You want to write a more-direct, less complicated song? Sure, but don't pad it out to seven minutes long, just get on with it. I think a sharply editted "love song" would have stood a better chance of making both "camps" happy [not to devolve into whether Genesis fans are divided into camps or not; you know what I mean here]. As it stands, diehard Proggers skip this one (I know I do, even if it has its charms) and the general public don't know it exists.

    I guess there was a single edit, right?
     
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  11. HiredGoon

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    Your Own Special Way

    A sappy acoustic ballad. Not that there's anything wrong with that. And not that far removed from Ripples, actually. It's as long as it needs to be, given the tempo.

    Nice vocals and harmonies from Phil. I always thought that Steve was playing a weeping steel guitar on this track, but it's not listed as an instrument.

    I prefer the version I heard on the Invisible Touch tour, in which the middle section was performed by a string quartet, instead of the Styx-sounding solo electric piano.

    --Geoff
     
  12. mx20

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that live version ONLY happened on the Australian tour. (Right?)
     
  13. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Mama, Abacab, Domino, Your Own Special Way, In Too Deep, The Brazilian, That's All, Home By The Sea/ Second Home By The Sea, Throwing It All Away, medley: In The Cage/ In That Quiet Earth/ Apocalypse in 9/8/ As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs, Invisible Touch, Los Endos, Turn It On Again-medley
    Apparently this is the setlist from the Australian tour for Invisible Touch.
    The interesting thing about this concert, which is the only time I ever got to see Genesis. I only had Nursery Cryme, And Then There Were Three and Genesis in my collection at this point, so aside from the singles and the "Genesis" tracks, I didn't know much of it. I did really enjoy it though, and that lead me to buy more of there albums, starting with Three Sides and Lamb I think. I didn't get Invisible Touch or We Can't Dance until the 5.1 boxsets came out.
     
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  14. Victor/Victrola

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    One positive thing about Your Own Special Way is that the lyrics about a seaman missing his woman/wife/partner really match the music, especially the verses. It puts the picture of a lonely man out to sea right into my imagination, and the melancholy feel adds a lot to the cold, wintry mood this album projects.

    It could be faded out before the instrumental part starts at 3:40 to make this track a bit more reasonable lengthwise, or at least take out the piano interlude that really goes nowhere and adds nothing. I also don't like Phil's vocals. The construct of the melody isn't in his range and it sounds like he is really straining to hit the high notes.

    Overall, I think YOSW is pretty dull, and in My Own Special World, I'd replace this and the next track with Inside & Out or at least the "Out" part of I&O (if I&O existed at the time.) Heck, with the first two tracks, we're looking at 17 minutes on side 1 already; maybe just exorcising YOSW and track 4 would give the record better sonics.
     
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  15. There's a (really) truncated version of YOSW on the "Mike Douglas Show" performance along with "Afterglow". It's on YouTube and the blue box.
     
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  16. Dalav

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    I have a soft spot for this one as I used to sing it to my young daughter at night to get her to sleep. And if you think PHIL had trouble hitting the high notes... :)
     
  17. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Easy reference guide

    Genesis - A History
    - Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    From Genesis To Revelation 1969 - Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Liner notes Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 1 When The Sour Turns To Sweet Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    without strings Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 2 In The Beginning Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 3 The Fireside Song Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    without strings Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 4 The Serpent Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 5 Am I Very Wrong Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 6 In The Wilderness Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    rough mix Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 7 The Conqueror Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 8 In Hiding Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    without strings Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 9 One Day Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    without strings Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 10 The Window Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    alternate Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 11 In Limbo Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    alternate Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 12 Silent Sun Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    without strings Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 13 A Place to call my own Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    new mix Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Other Early Tracks
    Patricia (In Hiding demo) Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    A Winter's Tale (single) Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    A Winters Tale (alternate -with studio banter) Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    That's Me Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Image Blown Out Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Build Me A Mountain Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    On The Trail Of The One Eyed Hound Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Let Us Now Make Love Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Jackson Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Trespass 1970- Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    inside gatefold Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    sleeve Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 1 Looking For Someone Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live at BBC Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 2 White Mountain Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live in'76 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 3 Visions Of Angels Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 4 Stagnation Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Stagnation (BBC sessions) Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 5 Dusk Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    demo Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 6 The Knife Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Road To Nursery Cryme - Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Live in 1971 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Nursery Cryme 1971 - Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 1 Musical Box Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live at the bbc Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    F# or Manipulation Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live 74 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 2 For Absent Friends Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 3 Return Of The Giant Hogweed Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 4 Seven Stones Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 5 Harold The Barrel Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    piano and guitar Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 6 Harlequin Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 7 Fountain Of Salmacis Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live '78 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Belgian Pop Shop live 1972 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Twilight Alehouse live '72 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Peel Sessions
    Fountain of Salmacis Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Harlequin Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Return Of The Giant Hogweed Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Harold The Barrel Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Happy The Man Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live in Rome Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Foxtrot 1972 - Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 1 Watcher Of The Skies Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    single Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    b-side Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 2 Time Table Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 3 Get Em Out By Friday Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 4 Can Utility and the Coastliners Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 5 Horizons Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
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    track 6 Supper's Ready Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
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    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Supper's Ready (live) Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    live in 72 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Genesis Live 1973 - Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 1 Watcher of the Skies Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 2 Get Em Out By Friday Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 3 Return Of the Giant Hogweed Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 4 Musical Box Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 5 The Knife Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Back In NYC Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Supper's Ready Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    live in 73 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live in 73 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Live at the Rainbow 1973 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Selling England By The Pound 1973 - Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 1 Dancing With the Moonlit Knight Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Demo Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live 73 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Live 78 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    isolated guitar and vocals Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 2 I Know What I Like In Your Wardrobe Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 3 Firth Of Fifth Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    isolated vocal and guitar Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live canada Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 4 More Fool Me Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 5 Battle Of Epping Forest Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    instr. Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live 74 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 6 After The Ordeal Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    fast version Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 6-7 Cinema Show/Aisle Of Plenty Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Full Album Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    studio improv. 73 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    I Know What I Like In your Wardrobe (single) Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Twilight Alehouse (b-side) Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Live Montreal 74 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Live in 74 Providence Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live in 74 Empire Pool Genesis - The Album by Album Thread - Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Early rehearsal edit of Lamb Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway 1974 - Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 1 The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 2 & 3 Fly on a Windshield/Broadway Melody 74 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 4 Cuckoo Cocoon Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 5 In the Cage Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    mama tour Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 6 The Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 7 Back In NYC Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 8 & 9 Hairless Heart/Counting Out time Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 10 The Carpet Crawlers Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 11 The Chamber of 32 Doors Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 12 Lillywhite Lillith Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    early version Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 13 The Waiting Room Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    evil jam Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    live in Liverpool Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    The Waiting Room (live trip) Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 14 Anyway Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 15 Here Comes The Supernatural Anaesthetist Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 16 The Lamia Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 17 Silent Sorrow In Empty Boats Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 18 The Colony Of Slippermen Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 19 Ravine Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 20 The Light Dies Down On Broadway Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 21 Riding The Scree Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 22 In The Rapids Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 23 It Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    A Trick Of The Tail 1976 - Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 1 Dance On a volcano Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 2 Entangled Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 3 Squonk Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 4 Mad Man Moon Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 5 Robbery assault and Battery Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 6 Ripples Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 7 Trick Of The Tail Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 8 Los Endos Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    It's Yourself Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Wind And Wuthering 1977 - Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 1 Eleventh Earl Of Mar Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 2 One For The Vine Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    track 3 Your Own Special Way Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Whodunnit 3sides Genesis - The Album by Album Thread

    Live R.A.H. 1992 Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
     
  18. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product Thread Starter

    Easy misc. reference guide

    A brief introduction to genesis Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    after the debut Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    the road to nursery cryme Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    the threat of the giant hogweed WATCH: Did Genesis bizarrely predict Britain's Giant Hogweed nightmare 44 years ago? thanks @Giant Hogweed

    Who wrote what (more than likely) Genesis - The Album by Album Thread thanks @fRa
    The Foxtrot over story Genesis - The Album by Album Thread thanks @The_Windmill
    How the mellotron works Genesis - The Album by Album Thread thanks @Thievius
    Get em out by friday the comic book Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    King Canute and the tide Genesis - The Album by Album Thread thanks @The_Windmill
    Tony banks talks supper's ready Genesis - The Album by Album Thread thanks @Mirror Image
    Live - Gabriel's album cover story Genesis - The Album by Album Thread thanks @rednoise
    newspaper interview just prior to selling england Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    selling england info Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Moonlight Knight review Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Tony on FOF Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Lamia Lamia - Wikipedia Thanks @bob_32_116
    slubberdegullion (n.) Genesis - The Album by Album Thread Thanks @sheffandy

    Annotated Lamb bloovis.com - The Annotated Lamb Lies Down on Broadway thanks @Funky Meadows

    Phil Collins interview Phil Collins: from Genesis to resurrection Thanks @Rick Robson

    Cool links
    Genesis museum - The Genesis Museum thanks @peterpyser
    Genesis archive - The Genesis Archive thanks @peterpyser
    Genesis radio shows - The Complete Guide To Live Genesis Radio Shows thanks @misteranderson
    Genesis the movement - Genesis - The Movement thanks @abzach
    Genesis discography - ~A Genesis Discography thanks @abzach
    Table Top Genesis - Tabletop Genesis thanks @bob_32_116
    Album thread from 2007 (that I didn't find) - The River of Constant Change: The Genesis Album-by-Album Thread


    Some interesting stuff
    Genesis - The Album by Album Thread thanks @Giant Hogweed
    Banks Synths Genesis - The Album by Album Thread thanks @Parachute Woman

    Genesis A History Genesis - The Album by Album Thread thanks @The Zodiac

    Peter Gabriel Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Steve Hackett Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    John Mayhew Genesis - The Album by Album Thread thanks @Funky Meadows
    Phil Collins Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Tony Banks Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
    Mike Rutherford Genesis - The Album by Album Thread
     
  19. George Co-Stanza

    George Co-Stanza Forum Resident

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    I am a sucker for a good ballad, but Your Own Special Way is just a bit too sappy for me, with the high register Collins sings in combined with the guitar in the chorus. It just makes me cringe.
     
  20. Eleventh Earl of Mar

    Eleventh Earl of Mar Somehow got them all this far.

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    I think it's a step down from Ripples lyrically, but I do love that middle section. It's some very nice synth stuff from Banks and a high point, the issue being the song itself is arranged questionably. Particularly the guitar in the chorus and the vocal overdubs aren't really needed. Had it been stripped down a bit and take the middle bit out as to not make it needlessly long (even though I enjoy it) probably would have worked better.

    The 1987 live edition is pretty good. It really does work better with strings, which makes you wonder why they at least used the Mellotron during the chorus if nothing else.
     
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  21. robcar

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    “Your Own Special Way” is a very nice track. It’s too long and could have been shortened by removing the instrumental section in the middle, but it’s the first song on this album that I really enjoy. It’s a relief to hear a simple love song after the earls of mar and massed armies on the first two cuts. The melody and the sentiments are beautiful.
     
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  22. Lilainjil

    Lilainjil Forum Resident

    I remember seeing that after school when it originally aired. My brother had just bought the album. Seeing them on Mike Douglas was as anomalous as Tom Waits' appearance on the show around that time. Also Labelle doing Lady Marmalade.
     
  23. Jon H.

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    Okay Genesis fans - don't hate me for my next (meant to be funny) post.
    Your Own Special Way is where Genesis begin to head towards what the band call "romantic" or "female-friendly" music. I call it "cheesy" or "sappy" music. Now, I DO like the song but completely agree with others that it goes on far, far too long to be a nice little pop song with a romantic slant. The Mike Douglas version is better for the everyday housewife's needs ;) - but there was always something that I thought that was familiar about the chorus melody.
    Bear in my mind, I discovered W & W in 1982 after going backwards and buying all the Genesis albums I didn't already have. There was something about Your Own Special Way that hit my "cheese" button, and I couldn't put my finger on it. Then I heard a familiar song on the radio, and thought - nah, it couldn't be. I of course realized that Genesis came first, in 1977, but listen to the melody below:



    Hoo boy. Was Lionel a Genesis fan? It's a coincedidence, right? Ha ha ha.

    But now, whenever I hear Your Own Special Way, I can't un-hear Lionel Richie.

    You can hate me now.o_O
     
  24. abzach

    abzach Forum Resident

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    I wouldn't use the sexistic term "female-friendly" but yes, this is the first sign of them going cheesy.
     
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  25. Rick Robson

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    MEGA LIKE! :laugh:
     
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