Give me a Brian Jones appreciation playlist

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by kiff, Jun 29, 2019.

  1. HadgeTunes

    HadgeTunes Forum Resident

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    Here's my makeshift "Best of Brian" playlist:
    1. I Wanna Be Your Man
    2. Walkin' the Dog
    3. I Just Want to Make Love To You
    4. It's All Over Now
    5. I Can't Be Satisfied
    6. What a Shame
    7. Little Red Rooster
    8. The Last Time
    9. Look What You've Done
    10. Get Off of My Cloud
    11. 19th Nervous Breakdown
    12. Lady Jane
    13. Doncha Bother Me
    14. Under My Thumb
    15. I Am Waiting
    16. Sittin' On a Fence
    17. Paint It Black
    18. Out of Time
    19. Ruby Tuesday
    20. Yesterday's Papers
    21. Cool Calm and Collected
    22. We Love You
    23. Citadel
    24. 2000 Light Years From Home
    25. Child of the Moon
    26. No Expectations
    27. Stray Cat Blues
    28. Street Fighting Man
    YMMV
     
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  2. Courtfield Road

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    Grown Up Wrong isn't slide and the motif/riff is played by Keith using a fast vibrato on his amp. Note the solo with string bends has the same wobble.

    Brian doesn't play on Stewed and Keefed. The guitar is Keith.

    Brian doesn't play on Heart of Stone. The low baritone guitar was Bill using a Fender VI.
     
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  3. Thunderous is right! Especially on the 45 rpm in glorious Mono
     
  4. Liam Brown

    Liam Brown Forum Resident

    here is a link. i love brian jones mellotron on this. what a great tune. nicky hopkins is great on it too.

     
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  5. angelo73

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    There are numerous sources to the
    contrary. Stewed and Keefed is even
    subtitled "Brian's Blues". It is clearly
    not Keith's style of playing at that point
    in their career development.
    Grown Up Wrong features Brian on
    electric guitar - multiple sources if you
    check. It's bottleneck slide, not a slide-
    guitar (instrument)

    Unfortunately there has been a great
    deal of attempts by various individuals
    (claiming to go on memory) to rewrite
    Brian's accomplishments out of the
    Stones' history. The further away from
    the 60s in time we travel, the hazier the
    memories become and the more difficult
    it gets to confirm things that are said.
    But one thing is clear is that ever since
    the 60s, certain individuals whose names
    I shall not mention here have actively
    participated in campaigns to diminish
    Brian's contributions and importance for
    very personal reasons. In the end, one
    can believe whatever they want to about
    who plays on what. It would not surprise
    me in the least if by 2040 the history says
    Brian never played on any Stones records.
     
  6. drbryant

    drbryant Forum Resident

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    “Not Fade Away”. The Stones were great from day one, before they could even write a song. Brian was one reason.

     
  7. Son of Ziggy

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    Andrew Oldham (who didn’t get on with Brian at all) said the greatest thing he ever heard was Brian’s slide solo in I Wanna Be Your Man.

     
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  8. Courtfield Road

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    I have been looking in to this stuff for longer than I care to remember. I don't swallow what I am told as truth just because I am told it is.

    Your thing of multiple sources doesn't carry much weight as multiple sources just copy from other multiple sources.

    For Grown Up Wrong, I read and believed it was slide for years. Then I sat and worked out what was played and once I figured out what was played, I found an old AC30 with tremolo and vibrato, plugged in and there was the sound. Standard tuning, no slide. The motif is began at the first position, then sliding up to 10th fret. The same vibrato sound heard on the 'slide' guitar is on the solo and the solo is Keith.

    Now, I am open to the possibility that the motif on Grown Up Wrong may well be played by Brian (with Keith taking the solo), but the main motif is not played with a slide.

    It is unlikely though that Brian played the motif because the sound of that guitar and the solo is exactly the same. There's a basic rhythm guitar going on underneath.

    ...

    Stewed and Keefed is Keith, Stu, Bill and Charlie jamming in Chess studios. Lead and solo licks all over that Brian never played like on any recording ever made public. There is no recording available of Brian playing free and open soloing with string bends etc etc. It seemingly just wasn't his thing.
     
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  9. angelo73

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    I know the difference between vibrato
    and a slide-figure, and it's clearly a slide
    figure played using a "bottleneck" device.
    Perhaps we are each focusing on some-
    thing different here, but then you seem to agree :
    You are correct that
    the same effect and guitar are used.

    Stewed And Keefed (Brian's Blues)
    had been developed and played by
    Brian going back to his days hanging
    around with his friends in Alexis Korner
    Blues Incorporated, hence it's original
    title which the early Stones' recording
    of it acknowledges.
     
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  10. Bluepicasso

    Bluepicasso Android Confused

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    ==
    Always loved that as well!
     
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  11. Courtfield Road

    Courtfield Road Forum Resident

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    I can't be bothered debating this. Just carrying on thinking what you think.

    :righton:
     
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  12. Reid Smith

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    I have always loved this song and Brian on rhythm just rocks hard on it.
     
  13. angelo73

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    I know it is claimed that THAT particular
    take of 'S&K'd' is so-titled because of
    Brian's supposed absence from the
    session. I do not know which recording
    that claim is in reference to, so I cannot
    make further comment on it. Given
    Brian's abilities, it isn't [within] the realm
    of plausibility that any blues guitar
    figures as such would be out of his
    league, or beyond his abilities so to
    speak. Those are in fact some of

    the most rudimentary lines, any
    guitarist of either Brian's or Keith's
    ilk could easily play them.


    I don't mean to try to draw further debate
    here, as we both seem to find that pursuit
    somewhat pointless. I will leave it with
    my thought that the rewriting of
    Stones history by [person's unnamed] is
    a personal matter that I could hardly care
    less about. I own recordings of music I
    like not for who plays what and where
    (of this I personally don't care much )
    but for how I respond emotionally
    to the music on the recording. I own
    records that I don't even know the
    names of the musicians playing on
    them because it simply does not
    matter - the music cannot be purchased
    by anyone, anywhere, and so the names
    are irrelevant. In twenty years from
    now many recordings in circulation today

    will likely be unavailable to the general
    public, discontinued from streaming
    platforms and downloading, and those
    of us who own physical copies will be
    the sole curators of these artifacts of
    20th century music culture. Good thing
    there are tens of billions of CDs

    (some estimate as many as 40 billion)
    that will outlast their present owners,
    because the labels will eventually delete
    them from their data banks.
    But I digress.

    Oh, one more thing ~ who was it who once
    said " Only strong personalities can endure

    history, the weak are extinguished by it."
    Nietzsche ? Cannot recall just now.

    I do care about history but am somewhat
    indifferent to those oral accounts sourced
    from any who clearly have no strong

    disinclination to speaking ill of the dead.
    I never trust these.
    Nothing against you or
    anyone here.


     
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  14. Purple Jim

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    Not really a good example. What Brian is playing is pretty rudimentary, as was his sitar playing on Paint It Black.
     
  15. jparis51

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    And he was a wry little fellow!
     
  16. Courtfield Road

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    A notable % of Rolling Stones music is 'pretty rudimentary'.

    It's a great example as it shows his versatility and his ability to utilise ideas effectively. He also played acoustic on Paint It Black.

    :righton:
     
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  17. Purple Jim

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    Yes, it was said that he could pick up just about any instrument and get something out of it. What a gift this was to the band and it brought colour and variety of tone to the band's early music.
     
  18. Courtfield Road

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    "From chalk to cheese"
    "On 'Their Satanic' there's a track called '2000 Light Years From Home'. Now that, I believe, started out as something completely different in their minds and was changed when Brian said he wanted to play the mellotron strings on it. It was a nice track that anything could have been done to, but the whole conception of what Brian played changed the mood of the track from chalk to cheese and made it into what I regard as a fantastic track." - Glyn Johns



    Love this! The whole band is superb! One of the best things they did imo. A true piece of creativity. Taking the blues form in to the outer reaches of the universe.

    :love:
     
  19. Courtfield Road

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    This is me playing an approximation of Brian's mellotron part on my friends MKV mellotron. Yes, I am in my pyjamas as I was cat and house sitting whilst he was on holiday. :D

     
  20. Cameron.39

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    Unpopular opinion, but there's entire back catalogues of groups/artists that go unappreciated, but here we are picking out a four bar harmonica part here, a supporting rhythm guitar there to make out that Brian was some kind of genius. I will never understand the enormous fascination with his musical ability.
     
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  21. Courtfield Road

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    No, that is not what we are doing.

    Brian was a distinctive and interesting musician. An important and founding member of one of the biggest bands in the world. The Rolling Stones.

    Therein lies the fascination with his musical ability.
     
  22. All Down The Line

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    Do you mean everyone US?
     
  23. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line Forum Resident

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    So many great contributions mentioned so I will try not to duplicate:

    Dandelion - Lovely Reed colouring
    Gold Painted Nails - Original harp
    2120 South Michigan Avenue - High & lonesome harmonica
    That's how strong my love is - A nice turn on organ
     
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  24. dkmonroe

    dkmonroe A completely self-taught idiot

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    I will never understand the common tendency for people who don't appreciate Brian to enter Brian-related threads and try to dismiss him. It seems futile as it will not change the minds of people who appreciate Brian.

    This thread is not about "making out that Brian was a genius", it is, as the OP asked, examples of tracks that showcase Brian. They have parts that we can identify Brian as having played. They are the ones you want to listen to in order to understand just what Brian did. That's all.
     
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  25. freq

    freq Forum Resident

    The "Golden Stone". Step back from the painting to see the picture. Yes we hear some stellar slide guitar here; sitar here, mellotron there, recorder over here, marimba, castanets, tibetan yak hide drum . . . these are the trees - the real magic was the forest. After Brian died, the rumbling, menacing, wide open "Rolling" sound stopped dead, and an entirely new sound - the "Stones" - emerged, a harder streamlined rock sound. The real "showcase" of his contribution to the Rolling Stones was their overall sound while he was in the band - an irreplacable spirit.
     
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