Grading Issue?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by cporcp, Sep 14, 2018.

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  1. Maranatha5585

    Maranatha5585 BELLA + RIP In Memoriam

    Location:
    Down South
    Yeah.. no sweat, ya know- but I would tell him.
    I would definitely give him a chance to make it right..
    It takes a lot for me to actually give someone a negative.
    Only had to do it once on Discogs, they reprimanded the other guy, he closed his account. Discogs deleted what he wrote..

    Unbelievably - the seller is currently HUGE, one of the very top artists in music.
    He is awful, the worst crap. I'll never forget, just because he was such a complete azzholio.. Amazing really. Name escapes me for obvious reasons.
     
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  2. cporcp

    cporcp Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Kentucky
    Three days and no response to my question. Since the vinyl was indeed NM/M-, I left neutral feedback and a comment regarding truthful & accurate grading. On a related note I received another NM/M- example today - Slow Train Coming. The sleeve was pristine - had to have been kept in a protector for most of its life. The vinyl was scuffed, noisy, and had embedded debris that wouldn't dissolve despite repeated washings on a 16.5. Oh, and it was dished to the point that a clamp made it playable - just.

    This is atypical of me - I don't buy much used vinyl, because I don't want to deal with stuff like this - and these weren't expensive LP's. It's also possible that I'm slightly OCD when it comes to my albums - but probably no more than many of you.

    So, is this how it is? Or do those of you that purchase used vinyl online have more reliable sources - just curious.
     
  3. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    Not only ring wear, but a lot of wear around the edges.

    G.
     
  4. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    If the shrink wrap is slit, you can assume it's been played.
     
  5. Manalishi

    Manalishi With the 2-pronged crown

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    New Hampshire
    If you buy online you'll have to accept that you'll get a dud every now and then. That being said, I've had mostly good luck buying from ebay over the years. That venue was my go-to for the 60s pysch records I used to buy and really couldn't find from any other source.

    A local record store is the best option for common records such as the Crenshaw or Dylan LPs you mentioned in your thread. The advantages are obvious - you can inspect the condition prior to buying and possibly negotiate a better price.

    Don't accept miss-graded vinyl or covers - send it back if you are dissatisfied. If the seller gets enough returns, he/she will have to improve their grading skills or pack up their tent and go home. If you don't want to go through the hassle of sending it back, ask the seller to send a few bucks back to you for what is, IMHO, a VG cover advertised as NM.
     
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  6. cporcp

    cporcp Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Kentucky
    I've had good luck with Ebay too - my Discogs experiences are mixed at this point - I only have one good sized local shop, and I know their inventory by heart I think.

    Seems like it would just be easier to grade accurately rather than deal with someone who's dissatisfied and wants a return / refund.
     
  7. The Hud

    The Hud Breath of the Kingdom, Tears of the Wild

    What was the seller's feedback rating?
     
  8. cporcp

    cporcp Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    100% - figured I was safe, right?
     
  9. The Hud

    The Hud Breath of the Kingdom, Tears of the Wild

    That should have been safe.
     
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  10. Psychedelic Sounds

    Psychedelic Sounds Forum Resident

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    New Zealand
    You can safely say it has been played.
    Sleeve looks like VG condition.
     
  11. Tim1954

    Tim1954 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Cincinnati, OH
    Fairly minor edge wear, IMO. Again, from what the pictures show that is a VG+ cover. If the seams are intact I can't imagine one in ten thousand people being unhappy with that cover getting a VG+ grade.

    But as it was graded NM, this isn't really the point and the Seller should offer a partial refund or full refund upon return. Oversights happen. If he's got 100% feedback it's obviously not SOP. Sometimes on eBay it can be as simple as selling a similar item to your last one and forgetting to change the grade for the new listing.

    Shouldn't take three days to get a response, however. At least IMO. Since eBay protects Buyers at almost any cost and nearly every situation this should be no big deal. Go through the process and get a refund.

    Anyway, sheesh...surprised this thread is still going. An overgraded record cover!? Say it ain't so!
     
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  12. BOZMAN

    BOZMAN Forum Resident

    If the LP itself is in mint shape, that's what's most important, but there's no way any reasonable seller would grade that jacket so high. I'm sorry but NM sleeves do not have creases and ring-wear.
     
  13. cporcp

    cporcp Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Kentucky
    Yep we can put this one to bed - someone had asked for the outcome, so...
     
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  14. LitHum05

    LitHum05 El Disco es Cultura

    Location:
    Virginia
    Was this purchased from overseas? I've had record sellers overseas tell me a record is in "impeccable" state even as I'm pulling it out to see it's clearly not. Then they change their tune to: "it doesn't affect play..."
     
  15. InStepWithTheStars

    InStepWithTheStars It's a miracle, let it alter you

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    North Carolina
    Maybe one of the mail carriers on the plane brought a Crosley with him and decided to check out the LP you bought :laugh:
     
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  16. crustycurmudgeon

    crustycurmudgeon We've all got our faults, mine's the Calaveras

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    Gotta love sellers who deliberately UNDERGRADE their records. I've found one on eBay that grades VG++ a record I'd have no problem grading NM. They often look unplayed, not even spindle trails.
     
  17. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line The Under Asst East Coast White Label Promo Man

    Location:
    Australia
    Yes unless the glue residue cannot be removed!
     
  18. InStepWithTheStars

    InStepWithTheStars It's a miracle, let it alter you

    Location:
    North Carolina
    This is because there are lots of people - some of them probably on this forum - who will grab a microscope, inspect every nanometer of the cover until they find a speck of dust or a minuscule crease, and demand a full refund... but they need to keep the record, of course! I tend to undergrade myself - makes a nice surprise for the buyer. That is, as long as they don't see $2 more on a VG+ rating and go for the cheaper - probably overgraded - one. It's a fine line, marketing and human stupidity. :agree:
     
  19. Jimmy Mac

    Jimmy Mac Zooropa... better by design

    That is far from fairly minor edgewear. I don’t and wouldn’t own anything that looks like that in my collection, and I’m pretty sure I own a record or two with “fairly minor edgewear”.
     
  20. Tim1954

    Tim1954 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Cincinnati, OH
    Your personal tastes and pride of ownership requirements notwithstanding, it looks like a VG+ cover by any grading guide of which I am aware.

    If that was sent to me as a VG+, I'd have no issue unless the seams were splitting. If it were sent to me as NM, it would go back.
     
  21. Jimmy Mac

    Jimmy Mac Zooropa... better by design

    It’s already been mentioned that a record with ringwear can be nothing more than a VG according to Goldmine.

    There are seven vein creases, a nicely dinged corner, two rather large (an inch or longer) colour flaked off exposing white along the seams, two stickers affixed to the back (one of them partially removed) and ringwear and we can’t even see what going on at the bottom of the jacket from the front or back pictures.
     
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