Grateful Dead Dave's Picks 2018 Subscription

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  1. Six Bachelors

    Six Bachelors Troublemaking enthusiast

    ???...??? Am I wrong? I thought I had read that information here (which, being the internet, means it must be correct.)

    I definitely remember reading about the hellish task of preparing Dick's 16 somewhere. Yikes.
     
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  2. US Blues

    US Blues Forum Resident

    I don't recall anything regarding the 26 March 1972 show.

    Jim Wise was a long-time taper and still is an active member of the larger community. His contributions are legion, and worthy of note. Preparing Dick's 16 was a labor of love for Jim, and he did it in part to prove to Dick Latvala what was possible in the digital realm. To everyone's benefit.
     
  3. Crispy Rob

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    I recall reading that the Dick’s Pick from the Academy ‘72 run was sourced from the DATs Rob Eaton made from reels owned by the goat farmer/teacher who bought a batch of the storage locker tapes. I would assume the same to be the case for the Academy Dave’s pick, since that pre-dated the return of the Betty’s (starting with the July ‘78 box).
     
  4. dgwint

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    Dick gave Jim the files to work on via DAT because torrenting and other common file sharing methods we enjoy today was not a thing yet on the interweb.
     
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  5. superstar19

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    Yeah, the dark age. trading, tape/cd-r trees, usenet, ftp servers, tol, etc. My how things changed and quickly!
     
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  6. dgwint

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    Tol!!!
     
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  7. zongo

    zongo Forum Resident

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    Extra points for use of the word "bathetic".
     
  8. AlienRendel

    AlienRendel Forum Resident

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    Indeed. Most Dead fans don’t know much about baths.
     
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  9. Zafu

    Zafu Forum Resident

    I find this shocking, but guess that's what makes the world go around. Perhaps you need to be locked in a room with the 71' catalogue and a bottle of liquid. Perhaps not.. Whose to tell? hah

    While you contemplate this, please listen to the week in April at the Fillmore East and this Harding Theatre show. Peace



    -Zafu
     
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  10. bzfgt

    bzfgt Interesting and Copacetic Denizen

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    Does he sing that different than he sanged anything else?
     
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  11. fishcane

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    Been there... Its good top shelf playing but then so again is 77, my other least preferred year of the 70's so go figure...
     
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  12. Six Bachelors

    Six Bachelors Troublemaking enthusiast

    Perhaps I was acting on assumption or maybe what I read ?here? was posted on the basis of the assumption.

    Either way, I believe Dave's 14 definitely came out before there was any public talk of returned reels. A pity. I may be imagining things but the sound of Dave's 14 has never grabbed me.
     
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  13. Instant Dharma

    Instant Dharma Elliptical Envelopment

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    I could never get the hang of the usenet thing. Luckily there was dnc to help break me in.
     
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  14. notesofachord

    notesofachord Where are the prawns?

    The performance on March 26, 1972 is red hot though. Just as hot as any of the Europe shows.
     
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  15. Archtop

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    I also believe that it came out prior to knowledge of returned reels. I also think it is the aural equivalent of chewing aluminum (aluminium) foil. Three From the Vault (2/19/71) has the very same vibe. The playing is great, but the sound is horribly and metallically abrasive.
     
  16. Six Bachelors

    Six Bachelors Troublemaking enthusiast

    I don't deny it. I have before but I must again do a thorough listening of the officially released stuff from those shows. Something about them doesn't impress me the way nearly all of Europe does. The Dark Star from that week is a good example - Mr Top lists it as one of his favourites and, as I recall, especially loves one of the PITBs from that run. I don't need Mr Top to get me to enjoy the Dead but I think we've all come to place a significant deal of weight in his recommendations (I know I have)...and yet I found the Dark Star to be uninteresting and uninspired.

    I wonder if I have a bias about those shows that affects my listening: "Well, they're not Europe so..."

    I have stated before that I like the sound of 3FTV but until my friend returns the copy he claims he can't find, I can't remind myself of how it sounds. Now the Dave's release? Yeah. It sounds like what it is - a digital mastering of an old digital copy of an old tape, not stored properly.
     
  17. Archtop

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    First of all, thanks for the nod, but I'm just a random jamoke. And to set the record straight, since they only played Dark Star once during the tune-up for what became E'72 give it another go (3/23/72 on the Academy of Music bonus disc and it really does get to major heights; see minor feelin' groovy 15:22; Major 15:45; Hoe-down 16:08; Groovy 17:05) and the Playin' that made me step on my tongue (and leap right back on the bus) is from 3/27/72 on disc 1 of DP 30.
     
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  18. dgwint

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    IIRC a contributing factor to the sound on the AOM shows is the Eaton DAT's were transfered back in the 90's. A fresh transfer with current equipment would possibly produce better sounding releases.
     
  19. pbuzby

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    Odd since 3FTV was from multitrack. I don't remember that one sounding bad but I also don't remember it being a special show.
     
  20. dgwint

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    With the exception of the Dark Star>Wharf Rat>Beautiful Jam>Dark Star sequence from 2/18/71 those Port Chester 71 shows leave me really flat.
     
  21. Archtop

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    I don't know if "sounding bad" is the right way to put it. The recording is clean, but it has this crunchy upper mid-range that I don't care for. It's more of a mixing issue than a sound quality issue for me.
     
  22. scribbs

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    Notes from Orf's seed:
    The original reels of the Port Chester run of '71 were audibly tainted due to a cable problem. The result is a tone which hovers around 8000 Hz with an amplitude of about +20 dB above the noise floor. This translate to a very annoying pitch, especially during quiet sections, which is in the old-tv-tube or lousy-hard-disk or maybe even the-sound-you-hear-after-you-slam-your-head-against-a-concrete-wall class of 'whine'. Because this interference is 'monochromatic' it's easy to get rid of if you have the processing power and a quick FFT algorithm. I used the filter-shaping capabilities of the Sonic Foundry Noise Reduction Plugin to tailor a very narrow notch filter which attenuated the interference without affecting the rest of the signal. And it's all done in the digital domain. Huzzah!

    As a side note, I actually ended up crafting many filters to process these shows. The frequency of the interference actually drifted anywhere from 7700 to 8100 Hz during a given show. This was probalby due to a slightly wandering reel speed. It made my work harder but when I tried a much wider filter I started to be able to hear the attenuation in the music. The filters generally go like this (see info file for diagram).
     
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  23. pbuzby

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    I remember reading comments about an annoying hum on those shows but I thought this was on the two-track Betty boards, not the multitracks.
     
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  24. bmoregnr

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    I always seem to pass over 3FTV as well. Recognizing I have not heard it in a while I would point out it is a Healy mix, and also done in the early 90's despite the 2007 release date. I always find Healy's multi-track release mixes a little on the clinical/analytical side with a more strident mid to upper range. They are surely accurate affairs and I don't complain about them; yet I never seem to fall in love with them.
     
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  25. scribbs

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    We used to joke that that tone was a byproduct of all the ESP happening at those shows.
     

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