Help! Can somebody walk me through making a pre-emphasis disc copy with EAC?!

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  1. ynnek4

    ynnek4 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    hi

    i just downloaded EAC, and i just obtained a copy of the japanese abbey road cd. i want to make a safety copy. i have heard/read that you must do something through eac to enable the pre-emphasis "flags." i have never used eac before (only easy cd creator) so i would be considered a novice with this program. also, how owuld i enable cd-text?

    just want to hear the cd in all of its glory through a copy( and put the original away for good).

    any help would be greatly appreciated. :righton:
     
  2. Russ

    Russ Outlaw

    Location:
    Anglesea, NJ
    Recommended EAC Settings:

    Menu Action:

    • Select: append gaps to previous track (default)
    Extraction tab:
    • Check: Fill up missing offset samples with silence
    • Check: Synchronize between tracks
    • Select: Error recovery quality - High
    • Rest: leave unchecked
    General tab:
    • Check: on unknown CDs, select automatically access freedb database
    Tools tab:
    • UN-Check: retrieve UPC/ISRC codes in CUE sheet generation
    • Check: Use CD-Text information in CUE sheet generation
    • Check: Create '.3mu' playlist on extraction
    • Check: Automatically write status report after extraction
    • UN-Check: Activate beginner mode, disable all advanced features
    Normalize tab:
    • Do NOT use Normalize
    Filename tab:
    • Naming Scheme = %N - %T (track # and name) or whatever you want.
    Recommended Drive Options:

    Extraction Method tab:

    • Secure mode – NOT Paranoid, Synchronized or Burst mode!
    • Check: Drive has 'Accurate Stream' feature
    • Check: Drive caches audio data
    • Do Not Check: Drive is capable of retrieving C2 error information
    Offset/Speed tab:
    • Select: Use read sample offset correction. http://www.accuraterip.com/ may have your drive. If not use their software in conjunction with EAC
    • Check: Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out (if EAC will generate [Sync Error] on last track - uncheck)
    • Check: Allow speed reduction during extraction
    Ripping and creation of CUE sheet:
    • put in CD
    • ctrl-a (select all tracks)
    • F4 (detect gaps)
    • F3 (test gaps on silence)
    • EAC, menu action, create CUE, multiple WAVs with gaps (noncompliant)
    • F6 (test and copy tracks)
    • then click "okay" and explicity create logfile
    In the .cue file you generated put this: FLAGS PRE on a seperate line after each track number. Example:


    TRACK 01 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE


    If that doesnt work you can try to use my .cue file. You will have to change the names of your files to match mine. Copy below and paste into a text doc...rename the extension .cue.

    When you burn the CD with EAC load the cue sheet and it should be good.

    My .cue:

    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    TITLE "Abbey Road"
    FILE "abbeyroad3016.wav" WAVE
    TRACK 01 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Come Together"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
    TRACK 02 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Something"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 00 04:18:12
    INDEX 01 04:20:05
    TRACK 03 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Maxwell's Silver Hammer"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 00 07:21:40
    INDEX 01 07:22:42
    TRACK 04 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Oh! Darling"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 10:50:10
    TRACK 05 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Octopus's Garden"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 14:17:15
    TRACK 06 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "I Want You (She's So Heavy)"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 00 17:06:22
    INDEX 01 17:07:62
    TRACK 07 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Here Comes The Sun"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 00 24:52:65
    INDEX 01 24:54:00
    TRACK 08 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Because"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 27:59:10
    TRACK 09 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "You Never Give Me Your Money"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 30:45:20
    TRACK 10 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Sun King"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 34:42:20
    TRACK 11 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Mean Mr. Mustard"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 37:13:45
    TRACK 12 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Polythene Pam"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 38:19:60
    TRACK 13 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "She Came In Through The Bathroom Window"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 39:38:12
    TRACK 14 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Golden Slumbers"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 41:31:05
    TRACK 15 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Carry That Weight"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 43:02:22
    TRACK 16 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "The End"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 01 44:38:45
    TRACK 17 AUDIO
    FLAGS PRE
    TITLE "Her Majesty"
    PERFORMER "The Beatles"
    INDEX 00 46:44:35
    INDEX 01 46:59:35






     
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  3. Russ

    Russ Outlaw

    Location:
    Anglesea, NJ
    EAC options>Write>Text
     
  4. ynnek4

    ynnek4 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    wow! thanks for all the information! its much appreciated!

    i will give it a shot! cant wait to hear it!

    thanks again.
     
  5. Jay

    Jay New Member

    Location:
    Pittsburgh PA
    Hi. What *are* pre-emphasis and EAC? Sounds like it might be fun. Thanks.
     
  6. JoelDF

    JoelDF Forum Resident

    Location:
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    The only thing I would suggest different is to use "Copy Image & Create Cue Sheet". This creates one big wave file version of the whole CD (not individual wave files for each song). This can eliminate possible gap problems with the burning program. Not that it's generally a big problem depending on burn settings... I'd just rather the burning program not have to jump from one file to another - especially for songs that run into one another without a break. The Cue sheet tells the burning program where the track markers are.

    And, yes, you will have to add the pre-e option in the cue sheet. EAC for some reason is not able to read the pre-emphasis flag to start with so that it can put it in the cue sheet itself - even though it's supposed to, and has a column for it.
     
  7. ynnek4

    ynnek4 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
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    well, went ahead and copied via dogofdoom's directions. great directions and everything apparently went well.

    wanted to ask, if i play this (or the copy) on my puter, will pre-emphasis be initiated? what about car stereo? i do hear hiss when playng it on my plextor 712-a cd-rom through the vuplayer. sounds very very clear though.

    thanks a lot!
     
  8. Russ

    Russ Outlaw

    Location:
    Anglesea, NJ
    I agree.

    After I rip I usually store the files in lossless on the computer. The big .wav is not practical. Image copy definately reduces the chaces for errors.
     
  9. Russ

    Russ Outlaw

    Location:
    Anglesea, NJ
    to the best of my knowledge...no. either playing the wav file or the disc in the CD rom will not initiate the pre em. the flag is recognized in stand alone players.
     
  10. JoelDF

    JoelDF Forum Resident

    Location:
    Baton Rouge, LA
    Actually, a CD-Rom drive will read the pre-e flag and use de-emphasis on playback - but only if you play it using the analog output of the drive straight to the soundcard. That's because the drive's built-in DAC has to provide de-emphasis to be redbook compliant. The same is true for a car cd-player.

    But, as Russ says, playing the wave off the disc or from a drive set to do digital playback (and thus converted by the software and OS) then you get a very bright sounding song.

    Pre-emphasis is basically a boost in amplitude of frequencies so that everything is flat from 20Hz to 3kHz, then a slide up from 3kHz to about 10kHz of 10db's, then flat at that 10 db boost from 10kHz to 22,500Hz (the top range of the CD format). So believe me when I say that when you hear a pre-emphasised track that hasn't be de-emphasised, you'll know it.
     
  11. ynnek4

    ynnek4 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
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    well, just plugged my dvd player into my soundcards auxiliary input and played the properly copied pre-emphasied abbey road...

    sounds like night and day. :agree:

    my cd-rom is running through my audigy soundcard (digitally), so i am not experiencing what i should be playing the cd on my cd-rom.

    can i just play the cd through my dvd player, running it into my sound cards auxiliary and use the audigys " what you hear" recording feature and manually make a cd?

    will i be getting the proper sound that way (to listen on my puter and in my car stereo)?

    thanks a lot.
     
  12. ynnek4

    ynnek4 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    yikes, can someone help me again!?

    i noticed my cdr copy has 2 second gaps added to regular tracks (as opposed to side 2's medley tracks). how do i get rid of the 2 second gaps? also, my tracks names are all in caps.

    any help would be appreciated. :righton:

    (i am a compete novice with EAC)
     
  13. Vintage Season

    Vintage Season Active Member

    Location:
    Hillsborough, NC
    When you load EAC, and have pressed the "Write" button (or gone from "Tools" > "Write CD-R...") a new window opens, with its own sub-menus. From there, go to "Layout" > "Add 2 Second Gap On Append" and make sure that it is UN-CHECKED. This should get rid of your gaps, although if you were burning from a CUE-sheet you shouldn't have had additional gaps at all.

    Note: If you burned from the CUE-sheet supplied by DogOfDoom, you should still have a gap between tracks 1-2, 2-3, 5-6, 6-7 and 16-17, since those were manually defined with the "INDEX 00" tag (you can calculate the pregap by the time difference between INDEX 00 and INDEX 01, bearing in mind that the format is Minutes:Seconds:Frames and that there are 75 frames to the second).

    To check how your CD-Text is written on the disc, first re-load your CD in EAC and go to "Database" > "Clear Actual CD Information...". Then go to "Database" > "Get CD Information From" > "CD-TEXT". If EAC displays your CD-Text properly (that is, a combination of capital and lowercase letters), it means your CD player has a hardware-limited display.

    - M.
     
  14. telliott

    telliott Forum Resident

    How can I tell if a disc has pre-emphasis if EAC won't detect it? What's the proper syntax for adding it to the CUE sheet? EDIT: I just saw where to put it in the above example.

    Also, what are the best settings to get EAC to salvage a scratched CD?
    Tim
     
  15. ynnek4

    ynnek4 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    thanks vintage season, much appreciated.
     
  16. Russ

    Russ Outlaw

    Location:
    Anglesea, NJ
    i'm assuming your trying to elimate digital errors (ticks clicks pops) caused by the scratches...try using burst mode with no error correction. If you have already tried doing it securely with max error correction it might work. I've had success doing this eliminating the majority of audible errors.
     
  17. bob2935

    bob2935 Active Member

    Location:
    Oakville, Canada
    I'm also trying to back up a Black Triangle Abbey Road. Has anyone ever got the following EAC error message:
    Logical Unit Not Ready Long Write In Progress

    So far, I've created 3 drinking coasters in less than 2 minutes. Eac doesn't like my HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B drive and it's the only writer I have installed at this time.
    Thanks.
    Bob.
     
  18. ynnek4

    ynnek4 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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