Hi-Res Download News (HDTracks, ProStudioMasters, Pono, etc.) & Software/Mastering Part 12**

Timely article today from audiophile indie Blue Coast on streaming:

What Happens When Your Streaming Service Dies? | DSD-Guide.com

 

I'm sorry, this thread is so massive I can't find any info on the Beach Boys hi-res albums on HDtracks. Are any of them worth picking up? Again sorry to ask but I've been combing through this thread and can't find much.

 

I have Today!, Summer Days (And Summer Nights), Pet Sounds, Friends, 20-20, Surf's Up, Holland, and In Concert, and I highly recommend them all.

 

Re: Tusk
I checked my collection, and this is what I have:
2004 Expanded Edition. This is a 2-CD set - not sure if it had a HD release. Main album DR = 12
2011 24/192. Album only. May (or may not) be part of the Warner "flat transfer" series. DR = 13
2015 Deluxe Edition 24/96. Main album DR = 11

They all sound good to by ears, but my go-to is the 2011 24/192.

 

I can't find this Tusk. Maybe it will pop up somewhere?

The 24/192 S/T can still be downloaded for some reason and should be the preferred mastering.

 

Are you guys sure about 2011? I was able to find a 2014 192/24 (period of Warner Flat Transfer)

 

Is the Beach Boys "Feel Flows" going to be available Friday?

 

Tusk 192/24 is listed as 2011 in Discogs.

Shame it was reissued with a different mastering and lower resolution in 2015.

 

Was all of Tusk digital, though? I thought some of the studio tracks like "Sara" were really analog recordings - it was the stuff Lindsey was doing at home that was cut digital.

And of course, if you're doing after-the-fact processing - EQ, compression and whatnot - that'll still benefit from going higher-res.

 

PSM has some tech info on three, all dated 2015:

"expanded" :
96 kHz / 24-bit PCM – Rhino/Warner Bros. Studio Masters

Disc 1, Tracks 1-20; Disc 2, Tracks 1-22; Disc 3, Tracks 1-20 – contains high-resolution digital transfers of material originating from an analogue master source Disc 3, Track 9 – 44.1 kHz / 24-bit PCM, mastered in 96 kHz / 24-bit

"original":

96 kHz / 24-bit PCM – Rhino/Warner Bros. Studio Masters

Tracks 1-20 – contains high-resolution digital transfers of material originating from an analogue master source

Deluxe:

Disc 1, Tracks 1-20; Disc 2, Tracks 1-22; Disc 3, Tracks 1-20; Disc 4, Tracks 1-12; Disc 5, Tracks 1-10 – contains high-resolution digital transfers of material originating from an analogue master source Disc 3, Track 9 – 44.1 kHz / 24-bit PCM, mastered in 96 kHz / 24-bit"

Unfortunately, all 3 versions they carry are supposedly 2015 remasters.

 

Tusk couldn't have been mixed digitally, and there were no multitrack digital recorders at that point - I think the 3M deck was still at least a year and a half away from being released. Lindsey's stuff sounds like it was recorded live or something direct to 2-track digital. Maybe he recorded 2 tracks, played it back and mixed that in with additional work. There was no substantial generational loss with a digital recording so it could work if you synced your performance...

The studio tracks I suppose have been recorded multitrack analog and mixed down to 2-track digital.

There's probably an article out there about the recording of Tusk but I'm too tired to look it up.

 

So... Only the drum tracks were recorded digitally using the Soundstream system (16b/50k). Everything else should be analog, even the stereo master as the 2015 remaster suggest.

 

Maybe you can read these better than I Thomas
US 1979 LP Perry cut-

2011 24/96

 

The first image isn't working.
Spectrograms from needledrops are flawed since vinyl playback creates upper harmonics.
Spek isn't precise enough for this sort of analysis.

 

I've been half wonder recently, especially for Rhino and Warner, if they just re-title the year and they are not really paying attention to the actual remastering year. Not sure if it is a copyright thing or laziness, but I think it was some The Who things for example where they renamed the year but the files were the same. None of it helpful for the likes of us of course but not sure they care about us all that much.

 

I found a 2014 20 track DR13; but I can not find a 2011.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Analyzed: Fleetwood Mac / Tusk
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR14 -1.52 dB -19.37 dB 4:34 01-Over & Over
DR12 -0.75 dB -15.36 dB 2:08 02-The Ledge
DR12 -1.22 dB -16.57 dB 2:44 03-Think About Me
DR14 0.00 dB -17.45 dB 2:42 04-Save Me A Place
DR15 -1.92 dB -19.66 dB 6:32 05-Sara
DR13 0.00 dB -15.72 dB 3:32 06-What Makes You Think You're The One
DR12 -2.51 dB -17.69 dB 5:31 07-Storms
DR13 -0.40 dB -16.29 dB 3:03 08-That's All For Everyone
DR12 -2.29 dB -16.34 dB 3:11 09-Not That Funny
DR14 -1.01 dB -18.49 dB 4:42 10-Sisters Of The Moon
DR14 -1.00 dB -17.86 dB 4:54 11-Angel
DR12 -2.24 dB -16.74 dB 1:50 12-That's Enough For Me
DR16 -2.86 dB -22.04 dB 4:27 13-Brown Eyes
DR10 -11.76 dB -25.34 dB 2:18 14-Never Make Me Cry
DR14 0.00 dB -15.23 dB 3:03 15-I Know I'm Not Wrong
DR14 -2.47 dB -20.97 dB 2:43 16-Honey Hi
DR13 -1.45 dB -20.40 dB 5:20 17-Beautiful Child
DR13 -2.25 dB -18.41 dB 3:46 18-Walk A Thin Line
DR13 0.00 dB -17.73 dB 3:37 19-Tusk
DR13 -3.86 dB -19.84 dB 3:40 20-Never Forget
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks: 20
Official DR value: DR13

Samplerate: 192000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 4829 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================

 

I also have a 20 track 2015 DR11:

foobar2000 1.2.2 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2015-12-06 13:26:34

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Analyzed: Fleetwood Mac / Tusk
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR12 0.00 dB -14.81 dB 4:34 ?-Over & Over
DR9 -1.00 dB -11.41 dB 2:07 ?-The Ledge
DR9 0.00 dB -11.44 dB 2:44 ?-Think About Me
DR12 -0.50 dB -14.59 dB 2:42 ?-Save Me A Place
DR12 0.00 dB -14.68 dB 6:31 ?-Sara
DR9 0.00 dB -11.08 dB 3:31 ?-What Makes You Think You're The
One
DR10 -0.02 dB -12.81 dB 5:31 ?-Storms
DR12 -0.68 dB -14.12 dB 3:03 ?-That's All For Everyone
DR9 -0.19 dB -10.77 dB 3:15 ?-Not That Funny
DR9 0.00 dB -12.08 dB 4:44 ?-Sisters Of The Moon
DR10 0.00 dB -12.56 dB 4:54 ?-Angel
DR9 0.00 dB -10.64 dB 1:51 ?-That's Enough For Me
DR14 -0.46 dB -17.00 dB 4:27 ?-Brown Eyes
DR9 -4.39 dB -16.75 dB 2:18 ?-Never Make Me Cry
DR11 -0.01 dB -11.78 dB 3:02 ?-I Know I'm Not Wrong
DR13 0.00 dB -16.03 dB 2:45 ?-Honey Hi
DR11 0.00 dB -15.19 dB 5:21 ?-Beautiful Child
DR11 -0.53 dB -13.34 dB 3:47 ?-Walk A Thin Line
DR10 0.00 dB -13.00 dB 3:38 ?-Tusk
DR11 -0.41 dB -14.13 dB 3:39 ?-Never Forget
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks: 20
Official DR value: DR11

Samplerate: 96000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 2927 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================

 

Sorry, from the 1979 Ken Perry cut
I don't believe they are flawed. They will still provide a frequency cut or not.

 

Someone posted Tusk 24/192 in 2011 seems to match Fleetwood Mac "Tusk" at HDtracks (192kHz and 96kHz - 24 bit)

 

Right, that matches my 2011 that I posted last page. Moo's are slightly off on a few.

 

How many versions did they release???????

And I do have the 2015; it is a DR11 as was stated before.

 

Ya got me. I tested a remaster sample but thought the EQ was too bright for my tastes. So I just stuck with the 2011. It was expensive enough.
Your points are only off on a few, slightly. Did you do any conversions or anything?

 

No. No idea why we got different readings. Was it the 2014 DR13 (which you mention as 2011) or the 2015 DR11?

 

Your 2014- the 2015 is very much a different mastering.

 

They didn't use Soundstream to record Tusk, did they. I thought Lindsey recorded at home with Sony's early A/D converter hooked up to a U-Matic tape deck. The other tracks I don't know as much about.