Homeland: New show on Showtime

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by kwadguy, Oct 3, 2011.

  1. Mylene

    Mylene Senior Member

    Was good. I liked it. At least they probably had the ending in mind when they wrote episode 1, unlike shows like The X Files or 24 when they made it up as they went along. Since the Russian double agent walked into a room and saw the 'black' box she could have ended the whole thing 20 minutes earlier.
     
  2. sberger

    sberger Grumpy(but grateful) geezer

    Her character was written as being a huge jazz fan and there were references of that throughout the series. Kamasi and band looking like the Arkestra, playing to a well to do audience in Russia was a bit surreal, but cool nonetheless.

    And I too enjoyed the "end"(if we are truly to believe that...) as well as the final year. Very entertaining.
     
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  3. Humbuster

    Humbuster Big hat, no cattle

    This +

    Tomasz Stanko provided music for the series initially. If not for his untimely passing, would have made a much better choice for the finale.
     
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  4. sberger

    sberger Grumpy(but grateful) geezer

    Nothing wrong with the choice. Happy it wasn't the typical approach with Marsalis or Kenny G.
     
  5. James Slattery

    James Slattery Forum Resident

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    Who?? The African jazz band? Like anyone would know who that is. I thought is was just made up performers for the show.
     
  6. sberger

    sberger Grumpy(but grateful) geezer

    Are you being sarcastic?
     
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  7. GentleSenator

    GentleSenator what if

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    they literally tell you who they are in the show. and they are not "african".
     
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  8. MrGrumpy

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    They were the real deal. It would take years for even the greatest actors in the world to pretend to be as horrible as those musicians were.
     
  9. sberger

    sberger Grumpy(but grateful) geezer

    Kenny G. fan, huh?
     
  10. MrGrumpy

    MrGrumpy Forum Resident

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    Nice try. Jazz is the worst art form, and it's unfair for Russians to be tortured in this way.

    I don't recall any references to Carrie being a jazz fan since early in season 1. No white girls from the suburbs like jazz, unless they're mentally unstable. So maybe that explains it.
     
  11. sberger

    sberger Grumpy(but grateful) geezer

    You're an idiot.
     
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  12. MrGrumpy

    MrGrumpy Forum Resident

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    Probably. But at least I'll never be labeled a jazz fan.
     
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  13. marcb

    marcb Senior Member

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    There were always allusions to Carrie being a jazz fan with the intro, the art work on her walls, and the occasional playing of jazz music. Jazz is the true American art form and IMO attending a jazz concert in Russia served to reinforce the notion of what she will always be and was giving up (yet not entirely giving up) - as well as closing the loop from season 1.

    Why would there be any mention of Saul’s sister finding out he wasn’t dead? It wouldn’t have fit in the timeline of the scenes and wouldn’t have added a thing to the narrative.

    It does leave an opening for a reunion.
     
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  14. sberger

    sberger Grumpy(but grateful) geezer

    Your avatar wouldn't approve.
     
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  15. MrGrumpy

    MrGrumpy Forum Resident

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    Buddy Holly: The Jazz Years? As long as I don't diss Elvis, we're fine.
     
  16. rmath84

    rmath84 Forum Resident

    Although for once the musicians seemed to actually play their instruments.
     
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  17. lschwart

    lschwart Senior Member

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    I didn't like the finale (or this whole season), but as someone said earlier, at least it's over now.

    L.
     
  18. Hexwood

    Hexwood Forum Resident

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    A solid end to a fantastic series. I'm going to miss it.
     
  19. Deuce66

    Deuce66 Forum Resident

    There was no closure in that finale, it wouldn't surprise if they return with a 2 hour movie in a couple of years.
     
  20. GLUDFSSR

    GLUDFSSR Senior Member

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    And I would watch it.
     
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  21. MrGrumpy

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    Not one for "closure" or "satisfying" endings. But I know Hollywood can't help itself. A Quinn spinoff might be better than Scary Eyes Redux.
     
  22. antonkk

    antonkk Senior Member

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    Of course he would. But that's not how the system worked generally even during his reign. Unless we're talking about days of 1937 mass purges or some insane frontline moment of WW2 where lives were wasted without thinking.
     
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  23. antonkk

    antonkk Senior Member

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    Just got to see the final episode. Well, the dialogue between Anna and Mirov was as cartoonish and unbelievable as I expected, but other than that I was expecting a much more serious drama in the whole "Carrie betraying and nearly killing Saul" scene. I expected her to be pushed to the limit as an actress, sadly she wasn't and went through the whole ordeal like no big deal. The same about the guy who played Saul. This was not the finale worthy of the whole series to me. After all the series always aimed at asking some tough moral questions and exposing moral dilemmas and while it almost aimed at it with Carrie's book it still ended like a 007 movie. After Saul smiled I was almost expecting a 007 theme music to burst in. Of course I didn't want Carrie to betray her country, but several seasons offered much more dramatic finales than this one. Remember the scene of Brody's hanging? Etc.
     
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  24. MrGrumpy

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    Add the famine in Ukraine to Katyn, Nazi collaboration, etc. and that's a couple of million people.

    A platoon is 25-50 men? Utterly disposable in Joe's USSR

    P.S. Agreed on the finale.
     
  25. antonkk

    antonkk Senior Member

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    Oh, everybody was disposable in Stalin's times, no doubt about it. All I was talking about is that putting everybody against the wall was not how the counter-spy SMERSH system worked back in the 1940-1950's. Though I wouldn't exclude it. Now the same scene in Gorbachev's 1986 is pure absurdity. 1986 USSR was not North Korea by any stretch of the imagination and no execution on the spot without a long investigation, military trial etc was ever possible. Not that the scriptwriters cared one thing about such matters. But that's OK, it's just entertainment.

    However Saul's description of Russia as "a mortal enemy who's slowly but surely strangling our democracy" sadly gives away the creators' view that totally falls in line with utter demonization of Russia (a christian, capitalist country with deeply flawed and corrupt political system yet one that is way more free and democratic than China, a country that doesn't give a flying **** about US democracy but simply wants to be left alone from never ending american meddling and pressure in it's internal affairs and it's back yard and punches back when it can, quite often above it's weight) so prevalent among american mainstream media and political thought on both sides of the aisle. I know I'm talking real serious stuff, not entertainment anymore but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth because it gives away a deep and utterly paranoid real conviction that stretches far beyond the fiction of spy series.
     
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