How to respond nicely to someone who says Pet Sounds is the most over-rated album in the world?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Brian Lux, Nov 24, 2021.

  1. Fischman

    Fischman RockMonster, ClassicalMaster, and JazzMeister

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    Underrated even.
     
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  2. Vangro

    Vangro Forum Resident

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    Almost always? Bit of an exaggeration. "Pet Sounds" was hardly an unknown album by an obscure band that sold little.
     
  3. 7solqs4iago

    7solqs4iago Forum Resident

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    That I can agree it is somewhat overrated...

    and at the same time note I really enjoy and often listen to the era of albums from Pet Sounds to Surfs Up, and they might enjoy them if they give it a chance?

    it's a band that's a bit too important to totally write off :D
     
  4. davenav

    davenav High Plains Grifter

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    Didn’t say it was. PS didn’t get the chart action that a major band was expected to get. It wasn’t until the 70s and publications like Creem who championed it that the general awareness of this album began a long road to the high rank it now holds.

    As to “almost always” It’s been my observation that “under-rated” is usually used to refer to a lack of awareness. “Due to its lower sales figures, Pet Sounds was under-rated for years and years.”

    Whereas “over-rated” is pretty much always used in a dismissive, negative, arrogant way. “I listened to Pet Sounds once and didn’t get what all the hoopla is about. It’s over-rated.”
     
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  5. George Co-Stanza

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    That seems pretty harsh. Mental health is a very real and serious problem in 20021, and being concerned about someone's simply because of a difference of opinion on an album seems unkind.
     
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  6. bRETT

    bRETT Senior Member

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    Only necessary response:

     
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  7. juss100

    juss100 Forum Resident

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    Would it be possible for the number one rated album of all time (on any given list) not to be overrated according to, say, 75% of music listeners? I mean, is there really a collective agreement amongst the majority of society that Revolver is, in fact, of all albums ever recorded, the de facto greatest album of all time.

    I for one don't agree with that.

    Therefore, it's necessarily an overrated album, purely by the fact that it topped a list.
     
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  8. lucan_g

    lucan_g Forum Resident

    Exactly. When you are an album that regularly tops lists... you are destined to be regarded by many many people as overrated. Being overrated could still make you a very good album, but that's the price of critical acclaim....
     
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  9. Big Blue

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    Sure, but if it seems like they’re just checking the boxes of all the generally-highest-ranked albums, it may be a fair conclusion that they just want to say everything popular is overrated. You can’t tell me you’ve never encountered people like that…
     
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  10. Remurmur

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  11. cwd

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    you're from 20021? awesome! we've finally mastered time travel! how does the far-off future feel about Pet Sounds?
     
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  12. Big Blue

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    If 75% of music listeners don’t rate it the best of all time, then it is not rated best of all time.
     
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  13. juss100

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    Huh? It can perfectly easily be rated best of all time by, say, Rolling Stone magazine but 75% of music listeners can disagree.
     
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  14. Penny24

    Penny24 Forum Resident

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    Trust me, it's definitely more appreciated by the newer generations than Sgt. Pepper. On my end, as well as my gf, nephew, etc. Why do you think that album keeps getting more acclaim with each year? If you noticed all of these silly "greatest albums of all time" lists it either goes up in rank or stays in its place.
     
  15. Big Blue

    Big Blue Forum Resident

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    OK, so that would just mean Rolling Stone’s poll overrated it.
     
  16. Timos

    Timos Forum resident

    I wouldn’t say anything. I’d just smile at them.
     
  17. George Co-Stanza

    George Co-Stanza Forum Resident

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    Many still love it. :D
     
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  18. 7solqs4iago

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    I just finished a book on this era, forget the title, a quick and easy read, but it upped my knowledge on the contractual and aesthetic hassles Brian faced during this era... holy moly.....
     
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  19. unclefred

    unclefred Coastie with the Moastie

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    He said he would be 'concerned' about it. That seems pretty nice to me.
     
  20. juss100

    juss100 Forum Resident

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    Hence ... Overrated.

    There's really no metric to state what the average person thinks except music sales charts. "Critically rated" is precisely what we're talking about I'd presumed.
     
  21. Big Blue

    Big Blue Forum Resident

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    Well, those Rolling Stone lists aren’t really critical ratings, they’re polls among musicians and industry people (sure, including critics), whose opinions may or may not be representative of public consensus.

    I agree, as, once again, I don’t know where people are getting these “ratings” against which they are basing their assessments of things being overrated. If it’s just the Rolling Stone lists, they should say that. Rolling Stone’s polls are not the authority on how highly albums are regarded, they’re just a magazine article.
     
  22. juss100

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    And I was just using Rolling Stone as a random example anyway.

    When someone says "Revolver is overrated" do you usually respond "according to what metric?"Do you actually care if we discuss which particular critic said it was the best, or are you just going off of a general impression of what people think critics think?
     
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  23. Penny24

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    critical acclaim is overrated :D
     
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  24. Big Blue

    Big Blue Forum Resident

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    Actually, yes. Because I have no idea upon what they are basing that statement.
     
  25. Hokeyboy

    Hokeyboy Nudnik of Dinobots

    "You aint wrong tho..."
     

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