I adjusted the anti-skate on my ProJect T1

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  1. Ingenieur

    Ingenieur Just a dog looking for a home... Thread Starter

    Location:
    Back in PA
    It has no obvious adjustment. I read where the arm is balanced at the factory to add a little. I read you can verify this by balancing the arm (zeroing it) to zero stylus force.
    The arm will drift outward, so there is a net force.

    The CW is eccentric with set screw at the top. My CartAlign has a procedure for adjusting AS:
    set stylus force
    Amp off
    Old record spinning
    Lower stylus onto inner groove
    Looking at stylus head on slowly lift cue while observing with a magnifying glass.
    If it flicks out subtract force, and vice versa

    How to adjust? Rotate eccentric CW.
    Lobe in towards + AS
    Lobe away from platter - AS
    This adds torque/moment to the arm pivot.

    It only took mine a few degrees out to get no 'flick'. Mine flicked out a bit initially.

    yes, I'm not 'right' in the noggin'.
    My wife can confirm.
     
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  2. Phil Thien

    Phil Thien Forum Resident

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    I'd think that adjusting the counterweight would change the loading on the bearings, can't see how it would effect the anti-skating?
     
  3. Davey

    Davey NP: Hania Rani ~ Ghosts (2023 LP)

    Location:
    SF Bay Area, USA
    Yes, it can be used for lateral balancing, though straight tonearms are usually pretty closely balanced so don't need a lateral balance weight like comes on most of the S-shaped tonearms, which are inherently unbalanced in most designs. It usually isn't much of an issue if the table is level, but does introduce a bearing torque that would translate to the lateral plane if the table isn't level. I'm kinda surprised it would have that much effect as described in the OP, but I guess there is a small torque present.

    To @Ingenieur, is the table absolutely level?
     
  4. Ingenieur

    Ingenieur Just a dog looking for a home... Thread Starter

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    When I played with it I could make it flick in or out and vary magnitude. Too much might affect azimuth.
     
  5. Davey

    Davey NP: Hania Rani ~ Ghosts (2023 LP)

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    Well, that is how azimuth is adjusted on a unipivot arm, but yours is a gimbal bearing design so the tonearm won't rotate on the pivot axis to change azimuth unless the bearings are very sloppy.
     
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  6. Ingenieur

    Ingenieur Just a dog looking for a home... Thread Starter

    Location:
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    Dead level using both a bubble and Bosch tool.

    Rotating the lobe to 90 deg.only made it jump a few grooves at most. Needed a magnifying glass and repeated operations to see it. It was pretty much dead on from the factory, barely perceptible.

    As I noted when floating the arm drifted out.
    If you rotated the weight it would slow, almost stationary. The other direction a bit faster.
    But not significant.
    Did it out of curiosity, not expecting any audible change.
     
  7. Dbrow

    Dbrow Active Member

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    Ontario
    Did you try running the stylus on a smooth portion of a record? Did it pull the tonearm towards the center? I just one of these tables and want to see if any adjustment is possible.
     
  8. BoggartBear

    BoggartBear New Member

    Location:
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    I tried doing what you said but it seemed to make no difference to the anti-skating properties of my T1. On a blank record the stlyus skates very quickly to the centre.
     
  9. Dbrow

    Dbrow Active Member

    Location:
    Ontario
    I returned my T1 for an Essential 3. I don't think the anti-skate is set-up correctly at the factory.

    My T1 was skipping the first couple of grooves on most records. Using a blank disc for anti-skate testing, the arm would shoot towards the center. Playing with the position of the anti-skate weight on the Essential, I was able to get the arm float
     
  10. KenDay

    KenDay New Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    Anti skating is a hot mess on my brand new T1. I wanted to post a video. The tonearm shoots toward the spindle when placed on a blank CD. I have no intention of trying to tinker with something that isn't meant to be adjustable by the consumer.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Hzx7taUoN8UakTKWA

    I've ordered a Pro ject with the hanging anti-skate counterweight. I've heard mixed reviews of that system as well. If its anti-skate doesn't test well, I'll send it back too.
     
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