Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Steve Hoffman, May 14, 2006.
#2) No, you won't get stereo output from the 2M SE Mono
Forgive me if this has been addressed somewhere in the previous 50 pages, but how does one counter the degradation in sound quality from using a double Y that is massively inferior to the cabling used throughout the system otherwise? The cheap double Y I made using Radio Shack quality parts sounded far worse than mono records played through my stereo cart. Arrange for a Cardas double Y cable to be made?
Between which components have you placed the y-cable?
Thanks for replying, I'll have to check as I did it about a year ago, kinda laughed afterwards & forgot about it until I saw this thread again. I'm quite sure I conformed to a setup diagram that was referenced or linked earlier in the thread, I'll look as I printed it, now at home. It was either between turntable & phono stage (likely), or phono stage & preamp.
The first option (likely)? Bad. Vedy vedy bad. That would be the cause of the distinctly worse sound.
Ah, thanks a bunch, will verify & amend as necessary!
Anyone have insight on this?
Do you normally connect the TT to the speakers with RCAs?
Yeah exactly, RCA straight from TT into powered speakers.
I would think you'd be okay putting it between the TT and the speakers (which would be line level after the phono stage, but before the power amp).
But maybe someone disagrees...
Gotcha, thanks for chiming in as well. I'll be giving it a shot next week and will report what happens!
I've got myself a double y cable setup however this seems to be causing an issue with my amp (rotel ra-04). I am using the tape loop so that I can switch to mono using the monitor selector. This works, but only for 5 minutes or so before which the audio drops (it goes very quiet as if the internal phono pre has died). Switching the monitor knob back to source brings the sound back (in stereo). I then need to leave the amp turned off for a few minutes before I can get mono working again via the y splitter.
Has anyone had similar issues or know of a way round this? Could it be the impedance of my y splitter is causing a problem or that the output is shorting itself?
The latter is suggested here but looking through this thread I can't see anyone else suffering from this:
Why Not Wye?
This has been a really useful thread but after trying all these tips, I'd have to add that only Van Gogh impersonators can hear in true mono. FACT
This thread changed my life, mostly for the better I guess? I bought the two y-cords on amazon, started culling through vinyl stacks for my vinyl presses a week ago. I can't believe I was doing this so wrong all these years, I've had some of these mono records for like 15 years and played them through stereo. I have some older jazz lps in kinda meh VG shape that now are totally playable after cleaning, so glad I didn't get rid of some of these titles I could have justified letting go based on visual grade. Now I can hunt for mono presses specifically when I'm out digging in addition to all the other categories. I'm always trying to get cleaner sound and this sure helps for mono at least. Highly recommended if you haven't!
I have a question that I'm sure was answered in this thread, but 51 pages was a bit daunting. I recently purchased a mono switch from @xmas111, but just realized the AVR I play through has a mono listening mode. Do I still need the switch? And if I do, should I leave my AVR as stereo or switch it to mono?
Finally got around to connecting this properly & Wow, the mono sounds better!
Auditioned Beatles Please Please Me, UK original & later black & gold label monos, & loved them more than with stereo playback.
Thank you for your assistance!
Could some kind soul possibly link me to somewhere to buy a DOUBLE Y CORD in the UK? I can't seem to come up with the correct search term and I'd like to try this Thanks!
Try "stereo to mono rca"? You'll need two of them (that's the "double" part).
Just encountered this thread. I only have one mono LP - the mono release of Kind of Blue. Am I understanding correctly that unless I do this Y cord setup I'm not getting out of that LP what I should be getting? Because it sounds fine to me...
Modern mono records will sound pretty good. What you get with a mono switch or with summing is you cancel (or reduce by 25dB or so) and sound that does not occur in both channels. That can be a little or big difference depending on the pressing and condition and how it was cut.
It's a long thread and the benefits have already been spelled out ad nauseum.
I think the better way to say it might be "you're not getting what you COULD be getting". If you'd like your one "sounds fine" mono LP to be "sounds even better than fine", you should try it.
Nice one I've been searching for 'phono'.
I've just recommended this on another forum and two non-believers gave me these replies:
"pray tell me how does it do that? You can only do it with a stereo cartridge with 4 coils, and you need individual access to each of them. One can't wire the stereo signal back to mono to cancel out vertical modulation."
"The only thing you do with this , is creating an exact same signal on both channels. Your do not cancel out vertical modulation. Besides of that you stack the coils which creates an other impedance, and then separate that impedance to a double input.... mismatch guaranteed i.m.o."
Of course, these replies are based on assumptions and not real-life experience. But since I don't go very deep into the technical aspects of this, I'd like to know what would be a good answer to these comments. Thank you!
Haven't read all 50 pages...
If you don't have a mono button on the pre-amp (phonostage) but on the integrated amp. Will that be suboptimal? My Whest phonostage doesn't have a mono button but my McIntosh MA7000 does have a mono button...
The mono button on an integrated amp is within the preamp stage built into the integrated amp.
Use it and listen to mono records with confidence.
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