Interesting Review of Cartridges on YouTube

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by allied333, Mar 7, 2018.

  1. allied333

    allied333 TUBE AMPLIFIER REBUILDER - inquire Thread Starter

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    I bought an Audio Technica AT-120 & I find on youtube this person from Hi-Fi Vinyl News who has compared a lot of cartridges. His lot of 3 TTs looks to cost ten of thousands of dollars. In the $99-120 price range he stated the Nagaoka MP-110 crushes the AT120e. Should I sell the AT-120e and buy a MP-110 for my medium mass tone arm? I read on this site the AT-120 was preferred to the MP-110.
     
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  2. loki7177

    loki7177 Active Member

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    I have watched all of his videos. Love his content. Spends his own money on the gear. No hidden agenda. I have a Schiit Mani because of his review. I will be buying a MP-150 later this year when I visit Japan from his review too.
     
  3. 4011021

    4011021 Forum Resident

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    This guy is funny. His review helped me when I bought my phono stage (Musical Fidelity V90 LPS)
     
  4. 4011021

    4011021 Forum Resident

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    I've seen it, he put Schiit Mani as better than Musical Fidelity V90 LPS, which he put in second among 6 good options. Since V90 was easier for me to buy I chose it over the Schitt.
     
  5. Helom

    Helom Forum Resident

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    Keep the AT if it sounds good to you.

    Did this guy use preamps that allow for different capacitance loading? Did he optimize VTA and tracking force for each cart? Did he compare them after a substantial break-in period? I doubt it.

    I've owned enough carts in this price range to know the differences are not earth shattering when properly set up and given some break-in time. Elliptical stylus' on aluminum cantilevers can only perform so well.
     
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  6. allied333

    allied333 TUBE AMPLIFIER REBUILDER - inquire Thread Starter

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    He appears very technical. So, I suspect set up of cartriages was correct. PF loading, not sure. But, break-in is questionable. And, break-in is important as some cartridges do improve a fair amount more vs others per what I read.
     
  7. JustGotPaid

    JustGotPaid Forum Resident

    If you like it bright keep the AT. If you want a bit more relaxed top end with less surface noise get the MP110.

    Nagaoka makes good carts. I personally don't like the sound of AT's.
     
  8. 4011021

    4011021 Forum Resident

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    Why? What are his reasons?
     
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  10. allied333

    allied333 TUBE AMPLIFIER REBUILDER - inquire Thread Starter

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    See his review on youtube. Just enter at120e and a comparison comes up on his site.
     
  11. allied333

    allied333 TUBE AMPLIFIER REBUILDER - inquire Thread Starter

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    The Ortofon Blue sounds wonderful & better than the MP-100 IMO. Ortofon is $279 for it at LP Gear, but $200 on ebay from Japan. I keep moving up in cost. $99 AT-120e $127 MP-110, now $200. Oh boy!
     
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  12. loki7177

    loki7177 Active Member

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    Yes he did all of those things. Check out his vids. He is very detailed. He has videos for setting up TT and carts. He knows what he is doing.
     
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  13. allied333

    allied333 TUBE AMPLIFIER REBUILDER - inquire Thread Starter

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    Based upon your reply, he knows & hears a lot better than myself. He said the AT12oe is excellent on treble, but upper midrange accentuated, vocals shrill & sharp, bass transient leading edge soft & loss of dynamic punch plus impact. Flabby & woolly bass. Unnatural presentation. Damn!

    So, out goes the new AT-120e and in comes the ML-110. I learned a lesson on this one.
     
  14. Helom

    Helom Forum Resident

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    I checked them out and didn't see anything of the sort. He simply shows them being used on the same table.
     
  15. Helom

    Helom Forum Resident

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    o_O
     
  16. patient_ot

    patient_ot Forum Resident

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    His reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt. You can search for my old posts where I bring up problems with them. I'm convinced he has loading/capacitance issues with almost every AT cartridge he reviewed. There is a reason he likes Grado and Nagaoka cartridges so much - they are moving iron designs and not sensitive to capacitance. If his Technics 1200 still has the original cabling or something like it, that would mean he has over 300pf of capacitance before you count the tonearm wiring and the phono preamp capacitance. Doesn't matter if he can adjust his phono preamp down, still way too much capacitance for many cartridges.
     
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  17. patient_ot

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    Just don't move anywhere near a radio station with that Mani. Odds are you will get RFI and have to sell it. Been there.
     
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  18. patient_ot

    patient_ot Forum Resident

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    I have personally had exchanges about capacitance with him. He has one preamp where he can adjust the loading, but it doesn't according for tonearm and cabling capacitance, as I said in my other post. He doesn't appear to measure that with a capacitance either.

    Whenever I hear people complain about certain AT carts being too bright, 9 times out of 10 it's a loading issue.
     
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  19. Done A Ton

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    I love my AT120Eb, but it did take a long time to break in. allied333, how many hours have you put on your AT?
     
  20. allied333

    allied333 TUBE AMPLIFIER REBUILDER - inquire Thread Starter

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    I am far from radio station, but if I get interference I will use conductive spray on the cartridge. It will be shielded when attached to aluminum shell.
     
  21. allied333

    allied333 TUBE AMPLIFIER REBUILDER - inquire Thread Starter

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    It is new in box, no hours use.
     
  22. Sir Talbot Buxomly

    Sir Talbot Buxomly Forum Resident

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    That's right. He doesn't seem to like AT MM cartridges, and that's his prerogative. Thousands would disagree.
     
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  23. allied333

    allied333 TUBE AMPLIFIER REBUILDER - inquire Thread Starter

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    How much capacitance does the MP-110 want? I can change cables to get it perfect if necessary. I also know the MP-110 wants 68K input vs the 47K I have right now. A simple resistor swap in tube receiver. .
     
  24. patient_ot

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    I don't know offhand, you'll need to consult the manual. Bear in mind that if you adjust the resistive loading that may affect the amount of capacitance needed.
     
  25. allied333

    allied333 TUBE AMPLIFIER REBUILDER - inquire Thread Starter

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    I finally found the elusive MP-110 recommended capacitance. 150-200pF. I believe my TT is about 125pF & receiver adds another 30-40pF. 47K is value in this capacitance range per Nagaoka. My receiver is 47K. I am all set as is.
     

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