Is Audio The New Crypto?

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by RonN5, Mar 29, 2023.

  1. RonN5

    RonN5 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    For a long time, crypto was going up at a rate that you couldn’t lose. Is this what is happening with audio?

    With the way some audio companies have increased prices over the past few years, I’m noticing some used gear selling for more than when it was purchased new.

    Is it time to buy gear, hold for two years and resell for a nice profit?
     
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  2. Ampexed

    Ampexed "Ampexed Tape Is Professional Tape"

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    Heavens NO! I know of no current gear which appreciates in price - somebody please correct me if I'm missing something. On the other hand, if you have something like a mint McIntosh MC275 (or a stack of them...), you'd make a fortune over the original cost back in the day. Just go back in time to 1964, buy a pallet-full of MC275s, then time travel back to the present. Better than crypto!
     
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  3. Stone Turntable

    Stone Turntable Independent Head

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    New Mexico USA
  4. BostonBob

    BostonBob Paperback Writer

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    Tennessee
    Vintage guitars never fail to appreciate as long as they're taken care of, but anything electronic is a huge gamble.
     
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  5. Cyclone Ranger

    Cyclone Ranger New old stock

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    Best Coast USA
    This guy says, sure, what could go wrong.


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  6. Ham Sandwich

    Ham Sandwich Senior Member

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    What's his audio system?
     
  7. Cyclone Ranger

    Cyclone Ranger New old stock

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    Best Coast USA
    Whatever he can trade for a carton of cigarettes.
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  8. Ham Sandwich

    Ham Sandwich Senior Member

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    He should have invested in high-end audio gear instead. A couple of Boulder 3010 pre-amps at MSRP, a couple of SAT tonearms, some Oswalds Mill Audio gear, some of Audio Note's highest end and most exclusive gear. And how could you lose money. Just buy it. Store it in a spare bedroom. Wait a few years. And sell it at a healthy profit. The profit from churning such gear will certainly be enough to buy a Lambo. Certainly. Just like crypto (why do the crypto guys always drive Lambos?).
     
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  9. norliss

    norliss Forum Resident

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    Because Ferrari is owned by Fiat.
     
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  10. Ham Sandwich

    Ham Sandwich Senior Member

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    Sherwood, OR, USA
    So Ferrari charges actual currency.
     
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  11. It went over their heads. If Ferrari is owned by Fiat, Lambo by inference has to be owned by trading a commodity if it is not to be owned by Fiat.
     
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  12. nosliw

    nosliw Delivering parcels throughout Teyvat! Meow~!

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    The answer is no.
     
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  13. trickness

    trickness Gotta painful yellow headache

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    When I was a kid, I used to look through the tech hi-fi catalog and build my dream system out of all the different brands and components they had. Nearly all of what they carried was beyond my reach, a paper boy in the late 70s wasn’t actually crushing the weekly income bracket. But it was fun just to dream and think about how great it would be to have the gear and really hear my music.

    Not then, or now, would I ever think for a moment of gear as an investment, or something to show off to my rich pals. As much as I enjoy the gear, to me it has been and always will be about the enjoyment of music.
     
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  14. bgiliberti

    bgiliberti Will You Be My Neighbor?

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    Good clickbait. Got me :)
     
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  15. jupiterboy

    jupiterboy Forum Residue

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    What is crypto? No, really. Do we even know yet?

    Also, no. The high end of hifi is probably not liquid enough. If you need to turn extra cash into something "real", talk to Larry Gagosian.
     
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  16. Claude

    Claude Senior Member

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    Really?

    High end gear generally loses resale value quickly, unless it's a rare item (limited edition).

    If you bought $10.000 speakers brand new today, but you had to resell them after a couple of days, how much could you ask?

    I'd say no more than $8.000. Nobody would buy a used item with less than 20% off.
     
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  17. jupiterboy

    jupiterboy Forum Residue

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    Buffalo, NY
    I bought a turntable in 2001 for $850 US or so. I recently sold it for about the same. I'm rich!
     
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  18. bgiliberti

    bgiliberti Will You Be My Neighbor?

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    A lot of cars were selling for more than they cost new not too long ago due to Covid-related supply shocks. Should you invest in new cars?
     
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  19. Boltman92124

    Boltman92124 Go Padres!!

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    San Diego
    Prob his phone although he did have a habit of buying everything in sight I read.
     
  20. Boltman92124

    Boltman92124 Go Padres!!

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    San Diego
    I'm surprised how close to retail some people ask for on newer used items. If you want to move something like that quick, best just to offer a great deal up front and throw in shipping. Personally, I'd rather buy new than 20% off on used. 30% more like it.
     
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  21. Prighello

    Prighello Forum Resident

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    USA
    Probably not but there are limited cases where folks seem to be trying. Check out the Audiomart listings on that limited edition clear turntable Audio Technica came out with.

    Now that AT is shipping them there have been several listed as NIB for double the MSRP. Seems folks bought them in “speculation” of immediately flipping them for 50-100% more than they paid for them. Ditto on some UHQRs. Anything to make a buck I guess, not the way I roll. I find this behavior bad for the hobby.
     
  22. Boltman92124

    Boltman92124 Go Padres!!

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    San Diego
    I just can't on these, even at regular sticker. Or the MoFi One Steps.
     
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  23. RonN5

    RonN5 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    No doubt there are some brands that command a higher percentage of retail in the preowned market...and there are some specific items, usually older or limited production, that command even more.

    Part of the pricing over the last three years or so was supply chain, part was labor cost and part was to cover finance costs for companies buying other companies and then having a big payment.

    If I'm selling preowned gear, maybe I'm happy...if I'm buying, maybe I'm not...but then again, the resale market seems to have slowed down a little with all of the market and economic uncertainty.
     
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  24. DyersEve726

    DyersEve726 Schmo Diggy

    Location:
    Michigan, USA
    I have definitely had this happen recently, but the "profit" is minimal at best and is probably just tracking with inflation anyway, so it's a wash or a loss in the end, even if you technically made money. My crypto wallet, by comparison, has almost tripled since I first invested several years ago. There was a time like a year and a half ago when my money had multiplied 7 times from my original investment. Shoulda cashed out, lol. Anyway, they're not at all comparable.
     
  25. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    No, audio provides actual material considerations for one's "investment."

    In other words, you get something that exists.
     
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