DCC Archive Is it me or do today's producers/engineers suck?!?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by KLM, Nov 16, 2001.

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  1. Todd Fredericks

    Todd Fredericks Senior Member

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    A New Yorker
    I don't think the world has become a more violent place in the last decade or two. It's always been like this. I grew up and live in New York and people have been killing each other for years. It's not the music or television/films. A lot of this comes from poverty, racism, poor education, etc. I remember I was talking to a friend 10-15 years ago about how dangerous New York was becoming and he thought it was a picnic compared to a century earlier. People used to get fatally clubbed in the head and robbed in Times Square (which is now "Diseny/Piccadilly Circus Square") before electric street lamps were established (it still happens). The world has always been very dangerous but we're just more aware of it because of the massive communications explosion. Was Germany, Japan/China or any where in the world a pleasant place during the 30's? What about music? Where did Jazz come from and were all the people hanging out at the bars and brothels virgins (who never used foul language)? Shakespeare's stuff still holds up today because humanity hasn't really changed that much... "Like a one-eyed cat peeping in a seafood store..."

    Todd
     
  2. pigmode

    pigmode Active Member

    Location:
    HNL

    Shakespeare? Shakespeare? What, that Johnny-Come-lately? Try Homer why don'cha. Try the Rig Veda. Try the cave's of Altamira (hey, an actual reference to music...which band, which album?).

    To no one in particular: can we talk about music? :D :D :D
     
  3. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    Location:
    United States
    It's just too easy to blame media instead of looking deeper into these problems.

    Tood, you're right in that today's society is no more violent than in earlier days. A lot more evil was accepted, or at least tolerated back then. Perhaps that is one reason we look around now and notice it more, we see it less. BUT, most fear of violence comes from strangers when in fact, most violence occurs between people who know each other. The most common violence and murder is between family and friends. Next is co-workers and aquaintences. Those who have been fortunate enough to have lived a relatively sheltered or uneffected life may be even more shocked by what they discover.
     
  4. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

    Location:
    Toronto
    We're getting too serious here, everyone. In my opinion, the media likes bad news: sells newspapers, increases ratings on TV, makes people wait for the news radio broadcast. When the Irish troubles were in full swing, the "rioters" would wait for the TV crews to set up before starting. I am suprised the world media did not just sit in Afghan hospitals, waiting to film innocent victims. There was a newspaper report about the filming of the pro-Taliban violent protests in Pakistan. The report stated that the "rioters" numbered 500 or less. Took place in mid town. All around them, "business as usual", shoppers going to market, etc. They all thought the protesters were way too radical. Sorta like the people you see on the streets in big cities, talking to themselves.

    As for evil music? Well I just turn it off or leave the building (complaining - after all even I have a right to be heard, don't I?). Of course, I think disco is *evil*! ;)

    Anyway, that's enuf about that. When you live in a free society, you realize that others have as many rights as you do. So if they get their kicks being shocked at rap, so be it. Reality (the world) will hit them soon enough.

    Pig, I have no idea who did that! Capt Beefheart? And is it cool music? Pray tell!

    Gary
     
  5. pigmode

    pigmode Active Member

    Location:
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    Gary, does The Royal Scam ring a bell? ;)
     
  6. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

    Location:
    B.C.
    Grant,
    If you believe that I have lead a sheltered life you are way off my man.
    You make a lot of good points that are true but you seem to try and slide by my points, say they're wrong, and try to leave your answer as the definative one.
    Sorry but I still stand by what I've said.
    You have not proven that my points aren't valid. Instead, you seem to stick to only the the points that you find valid, which is all well and fine but the topic isn't that cut and dried.
    Let me ask you. How do you think the military break you down to rebuild you?
    They take you and proceed to psychologically dismantle you by yelling abusive, derogitory statements, and sleep deprive you until you break. Then they teach you what to do and how and when to do it. Sound familiar at all to you Grant?
    We can't blame the media? Maybe not 100%.
    But you're either part of the problem or part of the solution.
    Grant. Both of us have stated valid points, not all though because then we'd agree.
    I will never agree that the media plays no part in this sort of violent behavior.
    So I'm going to agree to disagree and leave it at that. "You can stand me up at the gates of hell but I won't back down" [​IMG]
     
  7. I agree that many Rock and Roll songs have lyrics that some people consider vulgar. For example Good Golly Miss Molly ("you sure know how to ball"). Or how about The Lemon Song ("squeeze my lemon till the juice runs down my leg"). But,the songs that you mentioned are tame compared to the lyrics in many "rap crap" songs. Plus, why do the rappers always grab their crotch? They must have either a bad case of jock itch or a bad case of the crabs.
     
  8. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    Location:
    United States
    Dave, the reason I didn't attempt to discredit your points is because I respect that they are what you believe even though I disagree.

    BTW, I am very hard to break. I was never in the military, but i'm in the corporate world which is about as bad. I have never been a company man!
     
  9. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    Location:
    United States
    There you go, picking on rap again. I'm not much of a rap fan, either, but it's funny how much metal is overlooked just because of a hated genre of music.

    Grabbing of the crotch is probably a cultural macho mannerism. I guess these guys have to remind themselves that they are males.
    That dumb swinging of the arms and looking like they're trying to hug the air is one thing I don't understand.
     
  10. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

    Location:
    Toronto
    Originally posted by Grant T.:
    I'm in the corporate world ... I have never been a company man!

    Grant, I can relate to that, you poor guy! I'm in the corporate world, too! We just were circulated a blurb about "change" - you either change or grow or die. But in this retoric, we learned a new word: snoopervisor. How appropriate.
    :D

    Well at least they have not invented flushing seats yet - I can actually get up and move around once in a while. But we should not complain, should we? Air conditioned in the summer. Heated in the winter. Same air, of course... just heated or cooled. Goin' blind from staring at a computer screen. Crink in the neck from looking over your shoulder. Grey hair... hopefully *lots* of grey hair!

    Royal Scam, Pig!?! Whatta classic! I think I'll give it a spin tonight! I have the Japanese paper sleeve version.

    Thanks for the inspiration! Something to look forward to.... :D
     
  11. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

    Location:
    B.C.
    Grant,
    Here's where you are not correct, in that they are my beliefs.
    Yes they are what I believe to be true, same as what you said regarding if a child is brought up in poverty and abuse that is all the child will know, these are proven psychological/scientific statements.
    As far as not breaking easily congrats.Not everyone on the planet has the intelligance nor the emotional stability that the people on this board seem to have :)
     
  12. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

    Location:
    Toronto
    Hey, I resemble that remark! :D
     
  13. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

    Location:
    South Plymouth, Ma
    Madonna was grabbing her crotch for a long time. Weather she had crabs or *****, heck, at the time she way have had both.

    As far as grabbing the air, I bet it was just some kids at the zoo making fun of orangatangs. Some other kids saw what they were doing, and mimed another version of it.

    Some people wonder why the aliens haven't visited yet. I think they watch us like entertainment, and don't want to ruin the fun.

    We need to realize as a socieity, that many "hand jive" doo-dahs and gestures are LAUGHED AT years later. We constantly reinvent making fools of (our)selves.
    The only thing that can make an impact is the music. The rest is just...

    [ November 19, 2001: Message edited by: Sckott ]
     
  14. Todd Fredericks

    Todd Fredericks Senior Member

    Location:
    A New Yorker
    Sckott,

    I agree with you about how foolish cool things look to later generations. Look at fashion. A guy can be hip in one decade and a dork in another... And then hip again.

    Todd
     
  15. pigmode

    pigmode Active Member

    Location:
    HNL

    Yup, one of my favorites. But you just haaad to rub it in with your "paper sleeve version" didn't'cha? :D Oh by the way, is it worth buying? ;)
     
  16. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

    Location:
    Toronto
    Well it sounds better than my .... umm..... shoot, that's the only copy I have! I've not heard it for a while.

    It's too bad that I don't have the full set, though. I got there too late - as usual. And Japanese CDs are sorta pricy, too.....
     
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